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    Getting IPv6 SLAAC to work in my network

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    • Bob.DigB
      Bob.Dig LAYER 8 @IonutIT
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      @ionutit said in Getting IPv6 SLAAC to work in my network:

      Can't really explain why that worked, but I won't complain.

      Interesting! Still won't explain the ULA on your LAN but at least you're making some progress.

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        IonutIT @Bob.Dig
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        @bob-dig

        Yeah, I have no idea where those ULAs are coming from. It seems that not all my IPv6 enabled devices in my network get 2 IPs, one GUA and one ULA.

        Is there a way to check RA packets and pinpoint the source?

        At the end of the day this is not such a dealbreaker as obviously Internet traffic is passed through the GUA IP.

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          JKnott @IonutIT
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          @ionutit said in Getting IPv6 SLAAC to work in my network:

          And I also get a GUA IPv6 but with a /128 mask again with fe80::1 gateway.
          On the LAN side, I get GUA IPv6 with a /56 subnet which is OK, even though I ask for a /64 (and the ISP itself is saying on it's info page that they give out /64 PD)

          A /128 GUA and link local gateway is entirely normal. Are you sure you get a /56 on the LAN?

          but those PDs are dynamic, and if I disconnect for any reason I will get a new prefix delegation so that field needs to be manually updated.

          Have you selected Do not allow PD/Address release on the WAN page?

          PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
          i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
          UniFi AC-Lite access point

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            JKnott @IonutIT
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            @ionutit said in Getting IPv6 SLAAC to work in my network:

            Is there a way to check RA packets and pinpoint the source?

            Do a packet capture and check the MAC.

            PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
            i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
            UniFi AC-Lite access point

            I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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              IonutIT @JKnott
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              @jknott said in Getting IPv6 SLAAC to work in my network:

              Are you sure you get a /56 on the LAN?

              Yeah, for some strange and weird reason, when I set my Prefix Delegation size to 64 in WAN settings page, I always got a /56 assigned to my LAN (interface was set to tracking).

              But as I mentioned in my last post, when I set the PD size to 56 (against what my ISP has informed me I should use) I immediately got a /64 assigned to my LAN and SLAAC started working.

              Now I just need to find the source of these ULA addresses that my network gets, it's going to be a pain to find them, but fortunately it doesn't really impact my ability to go online though IPv6.

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                JKnott @IonutIT
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                @ionutit said in Getting IPv6 SLAAC to work in my network:

                But as I mentioned in my last post, when I set the PD size to 56 (against what my ISP has informed me I should use) I immediately got a /64 assigned to my LAN and SLAAC started working.

                56 on the WAN is normal. That's what I have here. This way, you have up to 256 /64s to use.

                As for the RAs, as I said, do a packet capture to see the MAC address, from which you can identify the device.

                PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                  IonutIT @JKnott
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                  @jknott

                  I'm trying to do that, but I might be doing it wrong.

                  So I'm running Wireshark on the ens0 (Ethernet port on my Mac Mini) and filtering for

                  icmpv6.type == 134

                  But all my outputs are showing fe80: link-local source and destination. I can't catch the fdcd: ULA anywhere.

                  Any pointers on how I should sniff for that?

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                  • Bob.DigB
                    Bob.Dig LAYER 8 @IonutIT
                    last edited by Bob.Dig

                    @ionutit In the end, you can not filter "local" traffic in one subnet anyway, only something routed through the firewall can be filtered. So as long as this (apple-)device is only member of one subnet, it shouldn't matter. I hope you have more than one LAN because otherwise the firewall isn't doing much for you.

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                      IonutIT @Bob.Dig
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                      @bob-dig

                      Yeah, at the end of the day I don’t really mind having this ULA network as it’s not routed outside.

                      Only thing that bugged me is that hosts use this ULA range for mDNS updates. I had to create a firewall rule to allow “any” to “ff02::fb” on UDP 5353.

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                      • JKnottJ
                        JKnott @IonutIT
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                        @ionutit

                        I think you'll find capture filters work better than display filters. Capture filters affect what's captured and display filters affect what packets of the capture are displayed. Of course, you can use both for more flexibility. However, I mostly use capture filters. So, you'd filter on ICMP6, which should capture all ICMP6 packets. Once you have some of those, you can use display filters. However, just capturing ICMP6 and quickly scanning the captured packets should reveal the RAs.

                        PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                        i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                        UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                        • JKnottJ
                          JKnott @Bob.Dig
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                          @bob-dig

                          He's running Wireshark, which means he's using a computer on the LAN.

                          PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                          i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                          UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                            JKnott @IonutIT
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                            @ionutit said in Getting IPv6 SLAAC to work in my network:

                            I had to create a firewall rule to allow “any” to “ff02::fb” on UDP 5353.

                            ????

                            mDNS is using ff02, which means it's a link local multicast. It's not supposed to pass through a router.

                            PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                            i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                            UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                              IonutIT @JKnott
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                              @jknott

                              Yeah but for some reason the source is ULA fdcd:: instead of the link-local address so it does go through the firewall. I think that hosts using mDNS broadcast through all available addresses.

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                                JKnott @IonutIT
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                                @ionutit said in Getting IPv6 SLAAC to work in my network:

                                Yeah but for some reason the source is ULA fdcd:: instead of the link-local address so it does go through the firewall.

                                That's not an issue. packets for multicast addresses often come from ULA or GUA addresses. Since the address starts with ff02, it's scope is link local and won't pass through the router (pfSense).

                                IPv6 has address scopes, which IPv4 does not. This means how far a packet can go depends on the destination address. An address that starts with ff02 is link local. Even on IPv4, you can have public or RFC1918 addresses as the source for local network only destinations.

                                So, even though a router may receive a packet with a ff02 destination, it will not forward it.

                                PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                                  IonutIT @JKnott
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                                  @jknott and @Bob-Dig

                                  So after a bit more troubleshooting I finally found the source of my ULA network.

                                  It seems that the RA for this fdcd::/64 ULA network is my Apple TV 4K (2021), and the reason for it doing that is for Thread. Because the device is a Thread bridge, and because this protocol is IPv6 only, it pushes this ULA inside my network to be able to communicate with other Thread enabled devices inside the LAN.

                                  Hopefully this will be helpful for others searching for this issue in the future.

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                                    MarioG @IonutIT
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                                    @ionutit FYI I just read over on the avsforum that tvOS 16.1 beta fixed this. The advertisements stopped.

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                                      IonutIT @MarioG
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                                      @mariog

                                      Really? I wasn’t aware that this was a bug, seeing that Thread needs IPv6 to function.

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                                        MarioG @IonutIT
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                                        @ionutit I don't know, I just saw this and thought it was related: https://www.avsforum.com/threads/apple-tv-owners-thread-faq-in-first-post.1278071/page-2178#post-62047363
                                        Hope it helps.

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                                          IonutIT @MarioG
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                                          @mariog Thanks for the link. I'll keep an eye on this.

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