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    • stephenw10S
      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
      last edited by

      I would argue this is a bug because the same load in 22.05 did not cause any problems even in much larger environments.

      However has anyone verified that this still happens in 23.05?
      We have one report saying that after upgrading the problem was solved.

      Steve

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        N0m0fud @stephenw10
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        @stephenw10

        I have been using pfSense w/ Unbound configured for DNS over TLS forwarding for years. Recently, it appears that there is a serious issue with the resolver. I get intermittent errors with the following:

        2023-05-04 10:24:53.905770-05:00 unbound 3136 [3136:2] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 46 0
        2023-05-04 10:24:53.905752-05:00 unbound 3136 [3136:3] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 47 0
        2023-05-04 10:24:53.905719-05:00 unbound 3136 [3136:1] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 48 0
        2023-05-04 10:24:53.882272-05:00 unbound 3136 [3136:1] debug: the query is using TLS encryption, for an unauthenticated connection
        2023-05-04 10:24:53.882209-05:00 unbound 3136 [3136:3] debug: the query is using TLS encryption, for an unauthenticated connection
        2023-05-04 10:24:53.882148-05:00 unbound 3136 [3136:1] debug: serviced send timer

        Eventually, DNS queires from devices with IPv6 addresses fail causing mobile apps to crash on the connected device. The errors happen with or without pfBlocker DNSBL active

        I can restart the Unbound service, it will work for a while then the errors return.

        Also get this now with DNSBL:

        servicewatchdog_cron.php: The command '/usr/local/sbin/unbound -c /var/unbound/unbound.conf' returned exit code '1', the output was '[1683215282] unbound[54733:0] debug: creating udp4 socket 192.168.246.1 53 [1683215282] unbound[54733:0] error: bind: address already in use [1683215282] unbound[54733:0] fatal error: could not open ports'
        
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        • stephenw10S
          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
          last edited by

          Are you using Quad9? Are you running 23.01? can you test 23.05?

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            SteveITS Galactic Empire @N0m0fud
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            @n0m0fud Have you disabled DNSSEC and/or DNS over TLS as discussed above?

            re: watchdog and DNSBL...pfBlocker updates and DHCP registrations will restart unbound so watchdog should not try to also start it. It can end up starting twice which is presumably why it is saying the address/port is already in use. Same thing with Suricata/Snort or other services that restart as part of normal behavior.

            Pre-2.7.2/23.09: Only install packages for your version, or risk breaking it. Select your branch in System/Update/Update Settings.
            When upgrading, allow 10-15 minutes to restart, or more depending on packages and device speed.
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              N0m0fud @stephenw10
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              @stephenw10 Running 23.05 forwarding to Cloudflare. Its definitely an IPv6 issue. DNS does not resolve via DNS over TLS on IPv6 Interfaces. I rebooted the router which kills IPv6 for a time after the reboot. Everything worked fine until the IPv6 addresses activated and RADV started. Logs:

              2023-05-04 11:01:43.286399-05:00 kernel - cannot forward src fe80:2::1ab4:30ff:fe03:3db, dst 2604:2d80:b208:f300:201:2eff:fe5a:6a7c, nxt 17, rcvif re1, outif re0
              2023-05-04 11:01:07.981963-05:00 kernel - cannot forward src fe80:2::557:1ce2:51f6:763c, dst 2600:1402:b800:1a::6847:8fc5, nxt 6, rcvif re1, outif re0
              2023-05-04 11:01:07.981902-05:00 kernel - cannot forward src fe80:2::557:1ce2:51f6:763c, dst 2600:1402:b800:1a::6847:8fd0, nxt 6, rcvif re1, outif re0

              AND

              2023-05-04 11:00:29.311174-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 89 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.311008-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 92 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.310857-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 91 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.310710-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 85 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.310546-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 86 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.310400-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 87 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.310242-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 90 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.310094-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 84 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.309943-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 88 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.309776-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 81 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.309627-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 82 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.309463-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 83 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.309314-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 77 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.309160-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 80 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.308995-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 79 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.308839-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 78 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.308673-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 76 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.308519-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 73 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.308369-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 75 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.308191-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 67 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.307997-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 70 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.307829-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 61 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.307696-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:3] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 74 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.307645-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 63 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.307402-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:1] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 69 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.307354-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 62 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.307164-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:1] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 72 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.307124-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:2] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 66 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.307052-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:3] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 64 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.306942-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:1] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 65 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.306894-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:2] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 68 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.306849-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 57 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.306696-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:1] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 71 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.306664-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:2] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 59 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.306647-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:3] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 60 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.306475-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 54 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.306241-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 53 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.306079-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 55 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.305913-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:2] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 58 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.305895-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 51 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.305794-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:3] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 56 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.305412-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 52 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.305247-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 50 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.305075-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 49 0
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.294142-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: the query is using TLS encryption, for an unauthenticated connection
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.294112-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: tcp bound to src ip4 173.21.178.244 port 0 (len 16)
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.294090-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: the query is using TLS encryption, for an unauthenticated connection
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.294056-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: tcp bound to src ip6 2604:2d80:8419:0:35e5:332b:4cf:e696 port 0 (len 28)
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.294034-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: the query is using TLS encryption, for an unauthenticated connection
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.293995-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point start listening 89 (-1 msec)
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.293989-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: the query is using TLS encryption, for an unauthenticated connection
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.293941-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: the query is using TLS encryption, for an unauthenticated connection
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.293899-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point start listening 87 (-1 msec)
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.293871-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: tcp bound to src ip4 173.21.178.244 port 0 (len 16)
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.293850-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: the query is using TLS encryption, for an unauthenticated connection
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.293810-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: comm point start listening 85 (-1 msec)
              2023-05-04 11:00:29.293777-05:00 unbound 52706 [52706:0] debug: tcp bound to src ip6 2604:2d80:8419:0:35e5:332b:4cf:e696 port 0 (len 28)

              Customer Unbound Options:

              server:
              forward-zone:
              name: "."
              forward-ssl-upstream: yes
              forward-addr: 1.1.1.1@853
              forward-addr: 1.0.0.1@853
              forward-addr: 2606:4700:4700::64@853
              forward-addr: 2606:4700:4700::6400@853

              All Ips are pingable. The IPs are Cloudflare.

              Not sure what's going on here.

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              • stephenw10S
                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                If you set Unbound to use v4 interfaces for Outbound traffic only does that resolve it?

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                  N0m0fud @stephenw10
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                  @stephenw10 Only way to do that is manually edit and save the config file. The GUI only allows selection of physical interfaces. Not IP addresses.

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                  • jimpJ
                    jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
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                    2023-05-04 11:01:07.981902-05:00 kernel - cannot forward src fe80:2::557:1ce2:51f6:763c, dst 2600:1402:b800:1a::6847:8fd0, nxt 6, rcvif re1, outif re0
                    

                    What has fe80:2::557:1ce2:51f6:763c? It shouldn't be trying to send traffic to a GUA address from LL, it's invalid.

                    What shows in the unbound config for interface binding(s)?

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                      N0m0fud @stephenw10
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                      @stephenw10 And restarting the service overrides my manual changes. This used to work fine until about 2 months ago. I know its local DNS as I can manually set the DNS on mobile devices that are showing the issue and the app failure problem goes away.

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                        N0m0fud @jimp
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                        @jimp Here is the Unbound.conf:

                        ##########################

                        Unbound Configuration

                        ##########################

                        Server configuration

                        server:

                        chroot: /var/unbound
                        username: "unbound"
                        directory: "/var/unbound"
                        pidfile: "/var/run/unbound.pid"
                        use-syslog: yes
                        port: 53
                        verbosity: 4
                        hide-identity: yes
                        hide-version: yes
                        harden-glue: yes
                        do-ip4: yes
                        do-ip6: yes
                        do-udp: yes
                        do-tcp: yes
                        do-daemonize: yes
                        module-config: "python validator iterator"
                        unwanted-reply-threshold: 10000000
                        num-queries-per-thread: 2048
                        jostle-timeout: 200
                        infra-keep-probing: yes
                        infra-host-ttl: 900
                        infra-cache-numhosts: 20000
                        outgoing-num-tcp: 50
                        incoming-num-tcp: 50
                        edns-buffer-size: 4096
                        cache-max-ttl: 86400
                        cache-min-ttl: 0
                        harden-dnssec-stripped: yes
                        msg-cache-size: 512m
                        rrset-cache-size: 1024m
                        qname-minimisation: yes

                        num-threads: 4
                        msg-cache-slabs: 4
                        rrset-cache-slabs: 4
                        infra-cache-slabs: 4
                        key-cache-slabs: 4
                        outgoing-range: 4096
                        #so-rcvbuf: 4m
                        auto-trust-anchor-file: /var/unbound/root.key
                        prefetch: yes
                        prefetch-key: yes
                        use-caps-for-id: no
                        serve-expired: yes
                        aggressive-nsec: yes

                        Statistics

                        Unbound Statistics

                        statistics-interval: 0
                        extended-statistics: yes
                        statistics-cumulative: yes

                        TLS Configuration

                        tls-cert-bundle: "/etc/ssl/cert.pem"
                        tls-port: 853
                        tls-service-pem: "/var/unbound/sslcert.crt"
                        tls-service-key: "/var/unbound/sslcert.key"

                        Interface IP addresses to bind to

                        interface: 192.168.246.1
                        interface: 192.168.246.1@853
                        interface: 2604:2d80:b204:b00:201:2eff:fe5a:6a7c
                        interface: 2604:2d80:b204:b00:201:2eff:fe5a:6a7c@853
                        interface: 127.0.0.1
                        interface: 127.0.0.1@853
                        interface: ::1
                        interface: ::1@853

                        Outgoing interfaces to be used

                        outgoing-interface: 173.21.178.244
                        outgoing-interface: 2604:2d80:8419:0:c4a9:d993:4305:fa3e

                        DNS Rebinding

                        For DNS Rebinding prevention

                        private-address: 127.0.0.0/8
                        private-address: 10.0.0.0/8
                        private-address: ::ffff:a00:0/104
                        private-address: 172.16.0.0/12
                        private-address: ::ffff:ac10:0/108
                        private-address: 169.254.0.0/16
                        private-address: ::ffff:a9fe:0/112
                        private-address: 192.168.0.0/16
                        private-address: ::ffff:c0a8:0/112
                        private-address: fd00::/8
                        private-address: fe80::/10

                        Access lists

                        include: /var/unbound/access_lists.conf

                        Static host entries

                        include: /var/unbound/host_entries.conf

                        dhcp lease entries

                        include: /var/unbound/dhcpleases_entries.conf

                        Domain overrides

                        include: /var/unbound/domainoverrides.conf

                        Unbound custom options

                        server:
                        tls-upstream: yes
                        forward-zone:
                        name: "."
                        forward-ssl-upstream: yes
                        forward-addr: 1.1.1.1@853
                        forward-addr: 1.0.0.1@853
                        #forward-addr: 2606:4700:4700::64@853
                        #forward-addr: 2606:4700:4700::6400@853
                        #forward-addr: 149.112.112.11@853
                        #forward-addr: 9.9.9.11@853
                        #forward-addr: 2620:fe::11@853
                        #forward-addr: 2620:fe::fe:11@853
                        #forward-addr: 52.205.50.148@853

                        Remote Control Config

                        include: /var/unbound/remotecontrol.conf

                        Python Module

                        python:
                        python-script: pfb_unbound.py

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                          SteveITS Galactic Empire @N0m0fud
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                          @n0m0fud said in Major DNS Bug 23.01 with Quad9 on SSL:

                          The GUI only allows selection of physical interfaces. Not IP addresses

                          Unless it changed in 23.05:
                          e502ed10-2e62-4982-bd66-015faa82755a-image.png

                          Custom unbound option text is not required for forwarding.

                          re: cannot forward, is IPv6 working otherwise, from both pfSense and LAN devices? You can ping -6 google.com?

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                            N0m0fud @N0m0fud
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                            @n0m0fud Ping works fine both from LAN device and from pfSense. Enabled the forwarding and let it run for a bit. I have to get on to other things.

                            Now logs show:

                            2023-05-04 11:44:02.155327-05:00 unbound 45552 [45552:3] debug: comm point listen_for_rw 36 0
                            2023-05-04 11:44:02.135144-05:00 unbound 45552 [45552:3] debug: comm point start listening 36 (-1 msec)
                            2023-05-04 11:44:02.135137-05:00 unbound 45552 [45552:3] debug: the query is using TLS encryption, for an unauthenticated connection
                            2023-05-04 11:44:02.134995-05:00 unbound 45552 [45552:3] debug: tcp bound to src ip6 2604:2d80:8419:0:c4a9:d993:4305:fa3e port 0 (len 28)
                            2023-05-04 11:44:02.134947-05:00 unbound 45552 [45552:3] debug: serviced send timer
                            2023-05-04 11:44:02.134938-05:00 unbound 45552 [45552:3] debug: cache memory msg=66072 rrset=66072 infra=7808 val=66288
                            2023-05-04 11:44:02.134929-05:00 unbound 45552 [45552:3] info: 0RDd mod2 rep 144.228.109.190.in-addr.arpa. PTR IN
                            2023-05-04 11:44:02.134924-05:00 unbound 45552 [45552:3] info: mesh_run: end 1 recursion states (1 with reply, 0 detached), 1 waiting replies, 0 recursion replies sent, 0 replies dropped, 0 states jostled out
                            2023-05-04 11:44:02.134918-05:00 unbound 45552 [45552:3] debug: mesh_run: iterator module exit state is module_wait_reply
                            2023-05-04 11:44:02.134908-05:00 unbound 45552 [45552:3] debug: dnssec status: not expected
                            2023-05-04 11:44:02.134904-05:00 unbound 45552 [45552:3] debug: sending to target: <.> 2606:4700:4700::64#853
                            2023-05-04 11:44:02.134898-05:00 unbound 45552 [45552:3] info: sending query: 144.228.109.190.in-addr.arpa. PTR IN
                            2023-05-04 11:44:02.134892-05:00 unbound 45552 [45552:3] debug: selrtt 376
                            2023-05-04 11:44:02.134883-05:00 unbound 45552 [45552:3] debug: rpz: iterator module callback: have_rpz=0
                            2023-05-04 11:44:02.134876-05:00 unbound 45552 [45552:3] debug: attempt to get extra 3 targets
                            2023-05-04 11:44:02.134871-05:00 unbound 45552 [45552:3] debug: ip4 1.1.1.1 port 853 (len 16)
                            2023-05-04 11:44:02.134866-05:00 unbound 45552 [45552:3] debug: ip4 1.0.0.1 port 853 (len 16)
                            2023-05-04 11:44:02.134861-05:00 unbound 45552 [45552:3] debug: ip6 2606:4700:4700::64 port 853 (len 28)
                            2023-05-04 11:44:02.134856-05:00 unbound 45552 [45552:3] debug: ip6 2606:4700:4700::6400 port 853 (len 28)

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                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @N0m0fud
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                              @n0m0fud said in Major DNS Bug 23.01 with Quad9 on SSL:

                              The GUI only allows selection of physical interfaces.

                              Hmm, interesting. I guess it shows only v6 link local as separate 'interfaces'.

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                                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Gertjan
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                                @gertjan said in Major DNS Bug 23.01 with Quad9 on SSL:

                                To (re)build a TLS connections, entropy is going through the drain fast.

                                Linux for sure this can be a problem - and especially on vms, etc. But I thought bsd got their entropy in a different way? and it was unlikely for bsd to run out like linux can?

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                                • GertjanG
                                  Gertjan @N0m0fud
                                  last edited by Gertjan

                                  @n0m0fud

                                  Strange :

                                  ...
                                  dhcp lease entries
                                  
                                  include: /var/unbound/dhcpleases_entries.conf
                                  Domain overrides
                                  
                                  include: /var/unbound/domainoverrides.conf
                                  Unbound custom options
                                  
                                  server:
                                  tls-upstream: yes
                                  forward-zone:
                                  name: "."
                                  forward-ssl-upstream: yes
                                  forward-addr: 1.1.1.1@853
                                  forward-addr: 1.0.0.1@853
                                  #forward-addr: 2606:4700:4700::64@853
                                  #forward-addr: 2606:4700:4700::6400@853
                                  #forward-addr: 149.112.112.11@853
                                  #forward-addr: 9.9.9.11@853
                                  #forward-addr: 2620:fe::11@853
                                  #forward-addr: 2620:fe::fe:11@853
                                  #forward-addr: 52.205.50.148@853
                                  
                                  Remote Control Config
                                  .....
                                  

                                  When you set :
                                  33d830eb-62c6-44a7-96dd-81b6d45fe64f-image.png

                                  pfSense will add a "forward-zone" section will all the needed addresses :

                                  .....
                                  # dhcp lease entries
                                  include: /var/unbound/dhcpleases_entries.conf
                                  
                                  
                                  # Domain overrides
                                  include: /var/unbound/domainoverrides.conf
                                  # Forwarding
                                  forward-zone:
                                  	name: "."
                                  	forward-tls-upstream: yes
                                  	forward-addr: 9.9.9.9@853#dns9.quad9.net
                                  	forward-addr: 149.112.112.112@853#dns9.quad9.net
                                  	forward-addr: 2620:fe::fe@853#dns9.quad9.net
                                  	forward-addr: 2620:fe::9@853#dns9.quad9.net
                                  
                                  
                                  # Unbound custom options
                                  server:
                                   statistics-cumulative: no
                                  
                                  
                                  ###
                                  # Remote Control Config
                                  ###
                                  .....
                                  

                                  And no "forward-ssl-upstream" but "forward-tls-upstream", although both are the same.

                                  So you are forwarding without the GUI set to forwarding ?
                                  Why would you use the custom options to achieve forwarding ?
                                  Maybe that needed to be done in the past, but no so anymore.

                                  The usage of

                                  tls-upstream: yes
                                  

                                  is also very rare.
                                  Google knows about it - in just one place ( !! ): it's the unbound.conf doc :

                                  
                                         tls-upstream: <yes or no>
                                                Enabled or disable whether the upstream queries use TLS only for
                                                transport.   Default is no.  Useful in tunneling scenarios.  The
                                                TLS contains plain DNS in TCP wireformat.  The other server must
                                                support  this  (see  tls-service-key).  If you enable this, also
                                                configure a tls-cert-bundle  or  use  tls-win-cert  or  tls-sys-
                                                tem-cert  to  load CA certs, otherwise the connections cannot be
                                                authenticated. This option enables TLS for all of them,  but  if
                                                you  do not set this you can configure TLS specifically for some
                                                forward  zones  with  forward-tls-upstream.    And   also   with
                                                stub-tls-upstream.
                                  
                                  

                                  Reading this makes me thing : I would stay away from it.

                                  Btw : I'm forwarding to quad9 (IPv4 and IPv6) for the last week or so.
                                  I didn't detect no issues what so ever.
                                  If my unbound got restarted, like this morning, that was me doing so.

                                  No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                                  Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                                  • cmcdonaldC
                                    cmcdonald Netgate Developer
                                    last edited by cmcdonald

                                    I am working on a build of the version of Unbound we shipped with 22.05 that will run on 23.01 (and one for 23.05). If the problem goes away with this old version of Unbound, I will start bisecting to find a root cause. I just don't want to go off in the weeds chasing ghosts.

                                    It would also be useful to know if this problem also manifests on 23.05.

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                                    • cmcdonaldC
                                      cmcdonald Netgate Developer @cmcdonald
                                      last edited by cmcdonald

                                      This issue is not unique to pfSense.

                                      We do have a workaround:

                                      1. Stop the Unbound service
                                      2. Run elfctl -e +noaslr /usr/local/sbin/unbound
                                      3. Start the Unbound service

                                      Ref: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=270912

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                                        joedan @cmcdonald
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                                        @cmcdonald

                                        I am following this thread with interest, I once was plagued with this (DNS over TLS slowness, random timeouts) but no longer and its not 100% clear why, so I made the change as a precaution.

                                        elfctl -e +noaslr /usr/local/sbin/unbound

                                        elfctl /usr/local/sbin/unbound

                                        Shell Output - elfctl /usr/local/sbin/unbound
                                        File '/usr/local/sbin/unbound' features:
                                        noaslr 'Disable ASLR' is set.
                                        noprotmax 'Disable implicit PROT_MAX' is unset.
                                        nostackgap 'Disable stack gap' is unset.
                                        wxneeded 'Requires W+X mappings' is unset.
                                        la48 'amd64: Limit user VA to 48bit' is unset.

                                        This website indicates ASLR is on by default in FreeBSD14 -
                                        https://wiki.freebsd.org/AddressSpaceLayoutRandomization and not in 13 (or lower?) so maybe this explains why I stumbled across this after upgrading from 22.05 to 23.01?

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                                          joedan @joedan
                                          last edited by joedan

                                          @joedan

                                          After 24 hours here are some unbound stats observed by turning off ASLR as per note above. My environment has been stable during the last 10 days; this being the only change made 24 hours ago. I WFH 8-10 hours a week and my DNS calls have been consistent over this period (running DNS over TLS to Cloudflare).

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                                          10-15ms average recursion time improvement since the change

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                                          DNS queries have remained fairly consistent

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                                          This observation sticks out though. I'm not technical enough to pretend what's going on here but 'TCP out' has tightened up. All other metrics measured (which are hidden) are identical.

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                                          Data shows a consistent new trend after disabling ASLR several days later...

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                                            JonH @joedan
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                                            @joedan Where do I find that graphing?

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