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    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
    last edited by Aug 19, 2023, 12:20 AM

    The installer will partition and format the drive you don't normally need to do anything to prepare it.

    Do you see it detected in the boot log?

    Like:

    nvme0: Allocated 16MB host memory buffer
    nvd0: <M.2 (P80) 3TE6> NVMe namespace
    nvd0: 114473MB (234441648 512 byte sectors)
    
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      muenchris @stephenw10
      last edited by Aug 19, 2023, 1:19 AM

      @stephenw10 Not that text. I see "NVME Lens loading/installing" but not any other entries

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        keyser Rebel Alliance @muenchris
        last edited by Aug 19, 2023, 8:49 AM

        @muenchris Weird. I would check the install again, or perhaps try the other keyed slot for Storage - Just to to rule out a misalignment/contact issue. If that doesn’t work either, it’s probably the SSD….

        Love the no fuss of using the official appliances :-)

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          RobbieTT
          last edited by Aug 19, 2023, 10:18 AM

          In case of any doubt, the slot you should be using on the 6100:

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            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
            last edited by Aug 19, 2023, 12:10 PM

            You should be able to use either m.2 slot on the 6100 (or both) it will boot from either.

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              RobbieTT @stephenw10
              last edited by RobbieTT Aug 19, 2023, 1:50 PM Aug 19, 2023, 12:25 PM

              @stephenw10
              Good to know. 👍

              Zero effort/skill demo:

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              I'm available for all the photoshop skills you don't need.

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                muenchris @RobbieTT
                last edited by Aug 19, 2023, 8:01 PM

                @RobbieTT I tried two different SSDs one 64GB one 128GB from different vendors. Both did not work in bothe slots - not showing in bootlog or installer as an option.

                The Optane from intel is discontinued. Are there other SSDs recommended?

                I tried this one: https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-512GB-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B07H21182F/ref=sr_1_5?crid=1DQADOIVOQMFR&keywords=ssd+b-keyd&qid=1692475071&sprefix=ssd+b-key%2Caps%2C362&sr=8-5

                and this one: https://www.amazon.com/Kingdata-M-2-2242-64GB-High-Performance/dp/B08J2P4FR5/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=1DQADOIVOQMFR&keywords=ssd+b-keyd&qid=1692475124&sprefix=ssd+b-key%2Caps%2C362&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1

                I cannot find a B-Keyed one, one B+M as recommended above, but I wonder if anyone has experience with a drive other than the Optane?

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                  muenchris @muenchris
                  last edited by Aug 19, 2023, 8:09 PM

                  Since my internal drive of the 6100 is dead I am using a USB Boot Image that netgate gave me. It is possible that my drive does not initialize correctly with that USB Boot disk. The image I am using is pfSense-plus-memstick-serial-23.05.1-RELEASE-amd64.img.gz.

                  Maybe I have to format/partition the SSD manually before it can be used, but how would I go about this?

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                    RobbieTT @muenchris
                    last edited by Aug 19, 2023, 8:14 PM

                    @muenchris
                    Lots of drives work and those of us on this forum that use Optane is probably less than 5.

                    If you look at my photoshop pic you can see a non-Optane drive actually fitted from when I was testing different SSDs.

                    As long as the NVMe drive is keyed correctly it should work. The manufacturer recommends drives at 256 GB and below but I have personally tested 500 GB drives and they worked just fine.

                    I've tested WDs, Toshiba and Innodisk too, all with zero issues. My preference is for a DRAM-less drive, given the role of the device.

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                      luckman212 LAYER 8 @RobbieTT
                      last edited by Aug 19, 2023, 8:20 PM

                      @RobbieTT I'm coming into this thread late, but curious why you have a preference for DRAM-less? My understanding is DRAM-less SSDs have a lower lifespan, lower speeds, and lower performance (the only benefit being lower cost). Is this incorrect... ?

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                        muenchris @RobbieTT
                        last edited by Aug 19, 2023, 8:29 PM

                        @RobbieTT I just found a small but super important hint on a sub-redit: The Drive has to be PCI-E and NOT SATA. Both the drives I was trying are SATA drives.

                        https://www.reddit.com/r/Netgate/comments/qn1jdl/6100_storage_upgrade/

                        Look at the very last post.

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                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @muenchris
                          last edited by Aug 19, 2023, 8:29 PM

                          @muenchris said in Netgate 6100 SSDs:

                          I tried this one: https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-512GB-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B07H21182F/ref=sr_1_5?crid=1DQADOIVOQMFR&keywords=ssd+b-keyd&qid=1692475071&sprefix=ssd+b-key%2Caps%2C362&sr=8-5

                          and this one: https://www.amazon.com/Kingdata-M-2-2242-64GB-High-Performance/dp/B08J2P4FR5/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=1DQADOIVOQMFR&keywords=ssd+b-keyd&qid=1692475124&sprefix=ssd+b-key%2Caps%2C362&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1

                          Those are both SATA drives. You need to use an NVMe drive.

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                            muenchris @stephenw10
                            last edited by Aug 19, 2023, 8:31 PM

                            @stephenw10 yes, I just saw this. too :(

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                              RobbieTT @luckman212
                              last edited by Aug 19, 2023, 8:31 PM

                              @luckman212
                              No, you have nailed most of the advantages of DRAM-equipped SSDs (albeit flash primarily drives the lifespan)

                              For a router/firewall none of these 'advantages' will actually come into play. However, DRAM can act as a write-hole should the power fail. Going DRAM-less removes that residual risk.

                              So yes, this is one of the few applications where no DRAM makes a lot of sense.

                              Incidentally, the 6100 Max comes with a DRAM-less SSD.

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                                RobbieTT @muenchris
                                last edited by Aug 19, 2023, 8:33 PM

                                @muenchris said in Netgate 6100 SSDs:

                                @RobbieTT I just found a small but super important hint on a sub-redit: The Drive has to be PCI-E and NOT SATA. Both the drives I was trying are SATA drives.

                                Yep, as said, an NVMe SSD with the correct key is required.

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                                  luckman212 LAYER 8 @RobbieTT
                                  last edited by Aug 20, 2023, 5:37 PM

                                  @RobbieTT said in Netgate 6100 SSDs:

                                  DRAM can act as a write-hole should the power fail. Going DRAM-less removes that residual risk...

                                  Does that apply even with ZFS? I thought that was one of the reasons to go ZFS vs UFS. I spent about 45 minutes searching, reading and still came away scratching my head. Seems a bit of a maze with HMB, devices with the exact same model # but underneath having different specs depending on whatever chips were available at the time, etc.

                                  no DRAM makes a lot of sense....the 6100 Max comes with a DRAM-less SSD

                                  Ok, next question: what are some readily available NVMe B+M keyed 64-256GB DRAM-less SSDs? I think this KingSpec NE-128 might be one (that's what I've got stuck in my 6100) but definitely can't find many. The WD SN520 SDAPNUW and SK Hynix HFM128GDHTNG seem plausible too.

                                  Bit of a rabbithole. Not sure any of this matters, any SSD is probably miles better than the eMMC, which seems destined to fail after a couple of years. And it's so easy to make backups or enable AutoConfigBackup...

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                                    RobbieTT @luckman212
                                    last edited by RobbieTT Aug 20, 2023, 5:56 PM Aug 20, 2023, 5:53 PM

                                    @luckman212

                                    These days it's probably what you can source easily or already have that will influence the purchase.

                                    You mention the WD option and I happen to have tested the WDC PC SN520 SDAPNUW-128G in my 6100. It worked really well and is specifically designed for this type of application as well as for industrial use.

                                    https://www.westerndigital.com/en-gb/products/internal-drives/cl-sn520-nvme-ssd#SDAPNUW-128G-1022

                                    I also tested it via an enclosure too:

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                                    There are other choices for sure but I can only vouch for those I have tested.

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                                      muenchris @RobbieTT
                                      last edited by Aug 21, 2023, 6:14 PM

                                      @RobbieTT I got a Kingdata 512GB NVMe and it finally worked. My 6100 is back up and running.

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                                        RobbieTT @muenchris
                                        last edited by Aug 21, 2023, 6:45 PM

                                        @muenchris said in Netgate 6100 SSDs:

                                        @RobbieTT I got a Kingdata 512GB NVMe and it finally worked. My 6100 is back up and running.

                                        Excellent news! 👍

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                                          cedrictang @RobbieTT
                                          last edited by cedrictang Jul 30, 2024, 7:02 AM Jul 30, 2024, 6:31 AM

                                          Resurrecting this thread.

                                          My 6100 max died in May and I have subsequently replaced it with a new one. But I still want to see if I can rebuild this.

                                          https://forum.netgate.com/topic/188293/6100-failing-after-trying-to-upgrade-from-23-09-01-release-to-24-xx/21?_=1722320035183

                                          This is my original thread.

                                          So I think the USB is dead. So I cannot appear to boot from the USB. I have removed the NVME drive and am wondering if anyone can point me in the direction of installing pfsense on a new NVME drive not via the 6100 device itself.

                                          I could find a way to install it onto a minipc's second nvne slot (i understand an M slot can use a b+m drive). Is there a way to use etcher or something to just write a full pfsense image onto a new drive like the WD SN520 mentioned above?

                                          If say I can install the new nvme drive on a minipc and install pfsense and then transfer the drive back to the 6100. However the hardware would be different though wouldn't it?!

                                          Thank you.

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