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    • stephenw10S
      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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      Anything shown at the console at all? Did it boot previously?

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        v16v @stephenw10
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        Can't get into console because it shuts down. It has worked fine for years but after a power outage it won't start.

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        • stephenw10S
          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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          But if you have the console open you see nothing at all? No POST output from the BIOS? No errors?

          It sounds like a hardware failure. That's what happens if you try to power up without any RAM present for example.

          I would try reseating the RAM and CPU.

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            v16v @stephenw10
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            How to reset RAM and CPU?
            I think there is something with the bios that is causing it not to boot.

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            • stephenw10S
              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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              No I said 'reseat' the components. So physically remove and re-fit them. Sometimes you can see bad connections if the unit was moved at all.

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                v16v @stephenw10
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                It was Google Translate that translated it to reset.
                Reseat the RAM and CPU, tried another PSU also made no difference.

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                • stephenw10S
                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                  So, to confirm, you see no output at all at the serial console?

                  I'm not sure there is any way to recover that. Even it is a bad BIOS. But I would only expect a bad BIOS if you were trying to flash it and it failed.

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                    @v16v Do you have an SPI Flash reader that you can read the BIOS from your M370 with? The BIOS has checksums for each module so if there's corruption it should be possible to figure out where.

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                      v16v @ost0
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                      I have a CH341A Flash reader. How do I know what checksums should be for each module?

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                      • stephenw10S
                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                        When you open the BIOS file it should show you.

                        I still doubt this is a bad BIOS though if you were not trying to modify it when it failed.

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                          v16v @stephenw10
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                          I said it was after a power outage that it didn't start. The bios reading gave nothing, it was completely blank.

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                          • stephenw10S
                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                            Hmm, are you sure it actually read it? It seems very unlikely it would erase it entirely.

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                            • VioletDragonV
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                              Remove the RAM, Power on the machine does it beep? if so the machine has some signs of life,

                              I've re-programmed quite a few BIOS chips, one word of advice, make sure you get the datasheet of the BIOS chip to be sure on the voltage of the EPROM, if its 3v make sure to change the voltage jumper on the CH341A Flash reader. You can damage the EPROM if you put 5v through a 3v EPROM.

                              If it has two BIOS chips i.e Dual BIOS in some cases it will fall back on the second EPROM chip.

                              When reading, read twice and verify twice and save the Flash.

                              Download the BIOS from the manufacturers website be sure to note on the revision as there will be some differences, with some motherboards you will require to copy MAC Address, Serial Number etc from the old BIOS Regions.

                              Regards

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                                ost0 @VioletDragon
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                                Completely blank reads could also mean an entirely dead SPI Flash (usually returning nothing but FF's if I recall correctly), if you've got access to a Linux machine and download flashrom, you can check for signs of life by connecting the clip to the SPI and the ch341a and running
                                sudo flashrom --programmer ch341a_spi --flash-name

                                With the expected output for a working flash being something like:
                                Found Winbond flash chip "W25Q128.W" (16384 kB, SPI) on ch341a_spi

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                                • VioletDragonV
                                  VioletDragon @v16v
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                                  @v16v Blank read can either be, the clamp isn't making good enough connection or dead EPROM.

                                  Are you using clamp or have you removed the EPROM from the board and soldiered it to the bracket / board ?

                                  Regards

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                                  • stephenw10S
                                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                    I would expect it's using some adapter via the SPI header. Usually the easiest way by far. But the board may need to be powered.

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                                    • VioletDragonV
                                      VioletDragon
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                                      Yeah had that problem with a MSI board.

                                      Without having schematic or board in front of me it's hard to say. Does the M370 have all the same model/ make of board and 1 revision or are there different ones?

                                      Regards

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                                      • stephenw10S
                                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                        I've only ever seen one but... that's a pretty small sample! 😉

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                                          v16v
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                                          I have connected as shown in the picture.Stift prog.png

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                                            v16v @v16v
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