Watchguard Firebox M400/M500
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Depends on the ambient temp I guess but for a 'T' rated CPU I expect lower. My M500 with a 4670S runs slightly cooler than that at max:
last pid: 57560; load averages: 4.20, 3.66, 2.22 up 0+00:13:56 19:53:36 187 threads: 9 running, 157 sleeping, 21 waiting CPU 0: 29.1% user, 0.0% nice, 70.9% system, 0.0% interrupt, 0.0% idle CPU 1: 29.9% user, 0.0% nice, 70.1% system, 0.0% interrupt, 0.0% idle CPU 2: 30.7% user, 0.0% nice, 69.3% system, 0.0% interrupt, 0.0% idle CPU 3: 32.7% user, 0.0% nice, 67.3% system, 0.0% interrupt, 0.0% idle Mem: 106M Active, 9212K Inact, 339M Wired, 118M Buf, 7411M Free Swap: 192M Total, 192M Free PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 44930 root 135 0 12M 2076K RUN 2 10:53 99.97% yes 44987 root 135 0 12M 2072K CPU1 1 10:52 99.88% yes 44788 root 135 0 12M 2072K CPU0 0 10:54 99.87% yes 45189 root 135 0 12M 2068K CPU3 3 10:52 99.86% yes 0 root -60 - 0B 672K - 3 0:00 0.05% [kernel{if_config_tqg_0}] 57560 root 20 0 14M 3992K CPU2 2 0:00 0.03% top -HaSP 6 root -16 - 0B 16K pftm 0 0:00 0.02% [pf purge][24.03-RELEASE][root@m500.stevew.lan]/root: sysctl dev.cpu.0.temperature dev.cpu.1.temperature dev.cpu.2.temperature dev.cpu.3.temperature dev.cpu.0.temperature: 58.0C dev.cpu.1.temperature: 54.0C dev.cpu.2.temperature: 57.0C dev.cpu.3.temperature: 55.0CThe fans are pretty loud at that point!
[24.03-RELEASE][root@m500.stevew.lan]/root: ./WGXepc64 -f Found Firebox M400/500 Current fanspeed is 78, minimum fanspeed is 1bAlso it's the hotest day of the year today in the UK so the ambient is ~30C in my 'office'.
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@stephenw10
Many thanks for the info. I will replace the heatsink compound again. Currently I'm using a Ceramic polysynthetic thermal compound which should not be bad :) -
I wouldn't expect to need anything too special there. Just not trying to reuse the crusty stuff Lanner put on it 10 years ago!
For reference at mostly idle I see:
[24.03-RELEASE][root@m500.stevew.lan]/root: sysctl dev.cpu.0.temperature dev.cpu.1.temperature dev.cpu.2.temperature dev.cpu.3.temperature dev.cpu.0.temperature: 40.0C dev.cpu.1.temperature: 38.0C dev.cpu.2.temperature: 40.0C dev.cpu.3.temperature: 42.0C [24.03-RELEASE][root@m500.stevew.lan]/root: ./WGXepc64 -f Found Firebox M400/500 Current fanspeed is 2e, minimum fanspeed is 1b -
Don't know if anyone else has tried yet (and I have no reason to think it wouldn't work but..) I successfully upgraded to Pfsense+ on my M400 today running an i5 processor..
More to support Netgate and Pfsense than anything.. but in case anyone else is holding back.. ;)
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More news on the Intel CPUs that don't reboot properly on M400/500.
Intel i3-4350T - is also no good.
After re-reading this thread, the conclusion is that only the i3-4130 seems to work correctly.
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The i5-4670S reboots correctly. And provides a nice performance upgrade.
Not quite as low power as one of the i3-T CPUs but not much difference at low loads.
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@acsaba not sure how I missed your original posts but my Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4590T generally sits at 50C.. I did replace the fans with a quieter model linked earlier in this thread.. and they're not running anywhere near full speed.
This is also the first I'm seeing about some Intel CPUs not rebooting correctly.. Guess I have to do some rereading because mine seems to have that issue.
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@chpalmer In the meantime I solved the problem installing arch Linux and controlling the fan speed properly. For the moment I'm not using the WG because of the power consumption and noise, so I will convert back to the original WG firmware.
Anyhow, many thanks for sharing the info.
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@stephenw10 Thank you. I will keep looking on eBay - there are a few in the USA, but the shipping cost and exchange rate are a killer. As a home box, the i3 has plenty of power.
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@chpalmer Yep. It is a doozy of a thread, but there is tonnes (metric of course) of information in here. I never did get the VGA working, but I had a tonne of fun playing with the BIOS writer - never needed to use one before this project.
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I wonder if the i5-4670K or i5-4670 will work? There are plenty of these available. I can see that the K is only slightly slower and uses more power, but the home box has never seen more than about 40% CPU usage that I have observed.
I have just bought a i5-4670K and a i5-4670 off eBay. I will report back with the reboot test results.
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The K CPUs were usually the unlocked version preferred by overclockers. So capable of the maximum possible performance. And cost! Of course that also means many have had a hard life.
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@stephenw10
Avoid the i7-6700
Worked great until it died
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That definitely wouldn't work in the M400/M500. I assume you tried that in an Mx70?
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@stephenw10
Sorry, yes.
Mx70
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Urgh, best avoid that then!
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@xxup said in Watchguard Firebox M400/M500:
i5-4670K
I have installed the i5-4670K into the M500 and I can confirm that it reboots from both the console and the GUI. The i5-4670 should be here next week, but I am confident that it will boot okay as it is older than the K version.
***** Edit ***** The K runs about 3-4C hotter than the old i3-4130. I will keep this one in the test lab box and the i5-4670 in the home (production) box.
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The i5-4670 has just been installed into the home network's M400 and the reboot test was successful. Certainly runs cooler than the i5-4670K.
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thanks all for the great reading and !BIOS! file,now running on Peplink balance 710 (i3-4330+2g ram +4gb cf),now 8gb ram+sata ssd
it was usable with default bios,but i have 2,so i said myself why not...(i have bios backup and some spi tools too,so i was not scared)...also fans are a bit less noisier(still loud for router...)..and the options in bios..wow i like it..
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To add to the topic, I also acquired a (free) firebox m400 - came with 8Gb ram - stock cpu. Stock CF card and one extra empty one (both are generic transcend cards).
Serial cable also included, used a USB-serial adapter to view the terminal.Flashed Grub on the second card to chainload Arch installed on SSD.
Works great!The firebox didnt want to boot from SSD directly with stock bios,
but happily boots grub from a CF card which then enables booting from the SSD anyway.With the CF card handling boot, the sata port didnt matter for the SSD (using UUIDs in grub) so switching the SSD between sata ports didnt matter.
All nics detected and operational.
Now waiting for a i5-4590T,
will probably upgrade the fans, possibly PSU, add some acoustics insulation - to quiet it down for home use.
