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    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
    last edited by Jun 26, 2024, 7:56 PM

    I wouldn't expect to need anything too special there. Just not trying to reuse the crusty stuff Lanner put on it 10 years ago!

    For reference at mostly idle I see:

    [24.03-RELEASE][root@m500.stevew.lan]/root: sysctl dev.cpu.0.temperature dev.cpu.1.temperature dev.cpu.2.temperature dev.cpu.3.temperature
    dev.cpu.0.temperature: 40.0C
    dev.cpu.1.temperature: 38.0C
    dev.cpu.2.temperature: 40.0C
    dev.cpu.3.temperature: 42.0C
    [24.03-RELEASE][root@m500.stevew.lan]/root: ./WGXepc64 -f
    Found Firebox M400/500
    Current fanspeed is 2e, minimum fanspeed is 1b
    
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      chpalmer
      last edited by Jul 6, 2024, 5:08 PM

      Don't know if anyone else has tried yet (and I have no reason to think it wouldn't work but..) I successfully upgraded to Pfsense+ on my M400 today running an i5 processor..

      More to support Netgate and Pfsense than anything.. but in case anyone else is holding back.. ;)

      Triggering snowflakes one by one..
      Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4590T CPU @ 2.00GHz on an M400 WG box.

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        xxup
        last edited by Feb 15, 2025, 6:10 AM

        More news on the Intel CPUs that don't reboot properly on M400/500.

        Intel i3-4350T - is also no good.

        After re-reading this thread, the conclusion is that only the i3-4130 seems to work correctly.

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          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
          last edited by Feb 15, 2025, 4:20 PM

          The i5-4670S reboots correctly. And provides a nice performance upgrade. 😉

          Not quite as low power as one of the i3-T CPUs but not much difference at low loads.

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            chpalmer @acsaba
            last edited by Feb 15, 2025, 6:28 PM

            @acsaba not sure how I missed your original posts but my Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4590T generally sits at 50C.. I did replace the fans with a quieter model linked earlier in this thread.. and they're not running anywhere near full speed.

            This is also the first I'm seeing about some Intel CPUs not rebooting correctly.. Guess I have to do some rereading because mine seems to have that issue.

            Triggering snowflakes one by one..
            Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4590T CPU @ 2.00GHz on an M400 WG box.

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              acsaba @chpalmer
              last edited by Feb 15, 2025, 7:19 PM

              @chpalmer In the meantime I solved the problem installing arch Linux and controlling the fan speed properly. For the moment I'm not using the WG because of the power consumption and noise, so I will convert back to the original WG firmware.
              Anyhow, many thanks for sharing the info.
              Keep in touch.

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                xxup @stephenw10
                last edited by Feb 15, 2025, 9:27 PM

                @stephenw10 Thank you. I will keep looking on eBay - there are a few in the USA, but the shipping cost and exchange rate are a killer. As a home box, the i3 has plenty of power.

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                  xxup @chpalmer
                  last edited by xxup Feb 15, 2025, 9:30 PM Feb 15, 2025, 9:30 PM

                  @chpalmer Yep. It is a doozy of a thread, but there is tonnes (metric of course) of information in here. I never did get the VGA working, but I had a tonne of fun playing with the BIOS writer - never needed to use one before this project.

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                    xxup
                    last edited by Feb 15, 2025, 9:54 PM

                    I wonder if the i5-4670K or i5-4670 will work? There are plenty of these available. I can see that the K is only slightly slower and uses more power, but the home box has never seen more than about 40% CPU usage that I have observed.

                    I have just bought a i5-4670K and a i5-4670 off eBay. I will report back with the reboot test results.

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                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                      last edited by Feb 15, 2025, 11:09 PM

                      The K CPUs were usually the unlocked version preferred by overclockers. So capable of the maximum possible performance. And cost! Of course that also means many have had a hard life. 😉

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                        Mookatroid @stephenw10
                        last edited by Feb 15, 2025, 11:58 PM

                        @stephenw10
                        Avoid the i7-6700
                        Worked great until it died
                        At which point I realized the heatsink could not dea

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                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                          last edited by Feb 16, 2025, 12:21 AM

                          That definitely wouldn't work in the M400/M500. I assume you tried that in an Mx70?

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                            Mookatroid @stephenw10
                            last edited by Feb 16, 2025, 12:19 PM

                            @stephenw10
                            Sorry, yes.
                            Mx70
                            The i7-6700 runs too hot for the Mx70 heatsink and eventually just cooks itself.

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                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                              last edited by Feb 16, 2025, 2:08 PM

                              Urgh, best avoid that then! 😬

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                                xxup
                                last edited by xxup Feb 21, 2025, 7:32 AM Feb 21, 2025, 5:36 AM

                                @xxup said in Watchguard Firebox M400/M500:

                                i5-4670K

                                I have installed the i5-4670K into the M500 and I can confirm that it reboots from both the console and the GUI. The i5-4670 should be here next week, but I am confident that it will boot okay as it is older than the K version.

                                ***** Edit ***** The K runs about 3-4C hotter than the old i3-4130. I will keep this one in the test lab box and the i5-4670 in the home (production) box.

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                                  xxup
                                  last edited by Feb 24, 2025, 5:54 AM

                                  The i5-4670 has just been installed into the home network's M400 and the reboot test was successful. Certainly runs cooler than the i5-4670K.

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