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    • W
      watercooled
      last edited by

      Yeah, I'm just using the platform/market/core names interchangeably sorry. Worded another way, I thought the Jaguar part would be used on the release version, with the Bobcat platform only released in limited quantities.

      Now I think of it though, that doesn't make a ton of sense.

      Like I say I've probably just misread it somewhere. Either way, no biggie. :)

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      • nesenseN
        nesense
        last edited by

        Hello gents, I got the APU board prototype yesterday with the recommended package:

        apu1b board
        case1d2blku enclosure (black gives best cooling)
        ac12veur2 AC adapter (or ac12vus)
        msata16a m-SATA SSD (optional)
        wle200nx miniPCI wifi + 2 pigsma + 2 antsmadb (optional)

        First of all I tried flashing the embedded NanoBSD image to a SanDisk 4GB SDHC card (2) and it failed to mount the filesystem after boot, I also tried the Memstick image on the sdcard and it failed too, I'm not sure why but from the documentation provided with the board it says that the sdcard reader is connected through USB on board.

        Next thing I tried was flashing the embedded nanobsd image on a usb flash drive and that also failed, I ended up booting it successfully with flashing the memstick-serial image on the usb flash drive, and installing the OS on the m-SATA, since installing on SDCard also failed using this method (got incorrect block/geometry I think)

        the provided WiFi kept giving me kernel panic, I tried mixed G+N mode and it crashed with auto channel selection, when I set it to channel 11 it didn't crash the kernel but the wifi card failed to start and the interface kept showing as DOWN, also 802.11g failed and crashed the kernel:

        Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
        cpuid = 1; apic id = 01
        fault virtual address  = 0xe
        fault code              = supervisor read data, page not present
        instruction pointer    = 0x20:0xffffffff802e830f
        stack pointer          = 0x28:0xffffff802f059750
        frame pointer          = 0x28:0xffffff8000299000
        code segment            = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b
                                = DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1
        processor eflags        = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0
        current process        = 74391 (ifconfig)
        trap number            = 12
        panic: page fault
        cpuid = 1
        panic: bufwrite: buffer is not busy???
        cpuid = 1

        ath0: unable to reset hardware; hal status 3
        aath0: ath_chan_set: unable to reset channel 11 (2462 MHz, flags 0x480), hal status 3
        th0: ath_reset: unable to reset hardware; hal status 3

        Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
        cpuid = 0; apic id = 00
        fault virtual a

        Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
        cpuid = 1; apic id = 01
        fault virtual address  = 0xe
        fault code              = supervisor read data, page not present
        instruction pointer    = 0x20:0xffffffff802eaedd
        stack pointer          = 0x28:0xffffff80000209f0
        frame pointer          = 0x28:0xffffff8000299000
        code segment            = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b
                                = DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1
        processor eflags        = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0
        current process        = 11 (swi4: clock)
        trap number            = 12
        panic: page fault
        cpuid = 1
        ddress  = 0xe
        fault code              = supervisor read data, page not present
        instruction pointer    = 0x20:0xffffffff802e830f
        stack pointer          = 0x28:0xffffff802f02c750
        frame pointer          = 0x28:0xffffff8000299000
        code segment            = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b
                                = DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1
        processor eflags        = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0
        current process        = 45851 (ifconfig)
        trap number            = 12

        Packages managing the LEDs aren't working.

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        • A
          athurdent
          last edited by

          @nesense:

          Hello gents, I got the APU board prototype yesterday with the recommended package:

          When you find the time it would be great if you could do some performance tests, like NAT / Routing performance with or without traffic shaping.

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          • nesenseN
            nesense
            last edited by

            When you find the time it would be great if you could do some performance tests, like NAT / Routing performance with or without traffic shaping.

            using iperf to test throughput, default values, traffic shaper DISABLED:

            TCP window size:  129 KByte (default)
            –----------------------------------------------------------
            [  4] local 192.168.10.10 port 59068 connected with 192.168.10.1 port 5001
            [ ID] Interval      Transfer    Bandwidth
            [  4]  0.0-10.0 sec  388 MBytes  326 Mbits/sec

            Traffic shaper ENABLED using HFSC on 2 LAN and 1 WAN (voip + all p2p protocols + all network games + some other applications):

            –----------------------------------------------------------
            Client connecting to 192.168.10.1, TCP port 5001
            TCP window size:  129 KByte (default)

            [  4] local 192.168.10.10 port 59150 connected with 192.168.10.1 port 5001
            [ ID] Interval      Transfer    Bandwidth
            [  4]  0.0-10.0 sec  336 MBytes  282 Mbits/sec

            will test using netio next.

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            • stephenw10S
              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
              last edited by

              How are you testing that? A throughput test is what's needed, iperf running on two separate machine not on the pfSense box.
              326Mbps seems disappointingly slow.  :-\

              Steve

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              • nesenseN
                nesense
                last edited by

                @stephenw10:

                How are you testing that? A throughput test is what's needed, iperf running on two separate machine not on the pfSense box.
                326Mbps seems disappointingly slow.  :-\

                Steve

                i'm running iperf server on pfsense and client directly connected to it through 1gbit ethernet macbook port

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                • stephenw10S
                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                  last edited by

                  Ah, well not test that really gives a useful figure because that doesn't represent a normal firewall/routing situation. You need to run the server on a separate machine connected to a different interface to get a useful comparable figure.

                  Steve

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                  • nesenseN
                    nesense
                    last edited by

                    @stephenw10:

                    Ah, well not test that really gives a useful figure because that doesn't represent a normal firewall/routing situation. You need to run the server on a separate machine connected to a different interface to get a useful comparable figure.

                    Steve

                    you mean put a switch for example between pfsense running on APU board and the laptop instead of pfsense <–> laptop?

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                    • A
                      athurdent
                      last edited by

                      Nesense, thanks for your efforts!
                      A good test scenario would be something like this I think:

                      [Laptop (192.168.10.10)] - [LAN Interface (192.168.10.1) - ALIX - WAN Interface (1.1.1.1)] - [iperf server (1.1.1.2)] 
                      
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                      • nesenseN
                        nesense
                        last edited by

                        @athurdent:

                        Nesense, thanks for your efforts!
                        A good test scenario would be something like this I think:

                        [Laptop (192.168.10.10)] - [LAN Interface (192.168.10.1) - ALIX - WAN Interface (1.1.1.1)] - [iperf server (1.1.1.2)] 
                        

                        No problem, I'm interested to know how well it performs too  ;D

                        Sadly I can't do such a test right now since my WAN interface is running on 100MBIT and my other computer has its monitor at repair, i'll try to borrow a second laptop or something to do throughput tests ASAP.

                        BTW the thermal sensors aren't working.

                        Any idea how I can get the WLE200NX wifi card to work on pfsense? it uses the AR9280 Atheros chipset, there's this thread http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=55403.0 that mentions FreeBSD 9.x drivers working with it and that they're already on pfsense 2.1 but i'm still having issues.

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                        • nesenseN
                          nesense
                          last edited by

                          here's a picture of the board:

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                          • W
                            watercooled
                            last edited by

                            Do you have some way to measure power consumption of the board?

                            For comparison, I measured the 2D13 at 3W AC idle through a reasonably efficient 12V power supply. Although IIRC it didn't change under load either, my meter doesn't have decimal resolution.

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                            • nesenseN
                              nesense
                              last edited by

                              @watercooled:

                              Do you have some way to measure power consumption of the board?

                              For comparison, I measured the 2D13 at 3W AC idle through a reasonably efficient 12V power supply. Although IIRC it didn't change under load either, my meter doesn't have decimal resolution.

                              Document says 6 to 12W depending on CPU load. This is using the T40N CPU with a 9W TDP. plan is to change to T40E with a 6W TDP.

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                              • W
                                watercooled
                                last edited by

                                The documentation claims about 5W DC for the existing Geode platform though, and I measured lower than that AC, so I was wondering if measured power could again be lower.

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                                • stephenw10S
                                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                  last edited by

                                  Some of those plug-in power meters claim an amazing accuracy. However if you look at the cost if genuinely accurate power meters it's hard to believe. That's especially true for switching power supplies. It wouldn't surprise me to find they misread by a few Watts at very low power levels.

                                  Steve

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                                  • nesenseN
                                    nesense
                                    last edited by

                                    BTW it also states that PoE is not supported and never will for the APU board.

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                                    • W
                                      watercooled
                                      last edited by

                                      @stephenw10:

                                      Some of those plug-in power meters claim an amazing accuracy. However if you look at the cost if genuinely accurate power meters it's hard to believe. That's especially true for switching power supplies. It wouldn't surprise me to find they misread by a few Watts at very low power levels.

                                      Steve

                                      I've found mine to be reasonably accurate (it's not a cheap one), allowing for rounding without any decimals of course, and it does account for PF for instance. But I will try to get around to measuring DC draw.

                                      It's not like consumer meters are £1000 worth of kit either.

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                                      • stephenw10S
                                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                        last edited by

                                        Well exactly. My meter was ~£30 and seems to work OK. It measures Watts and VA so I guess it allows for powerfactor but it's clearly not true RMS so I doubt it reads 'spiky' waveforms too well. I still use it though because it gives me a good idea of what's drawing power and if I reduce that. Just keep in mind that real power meters that have 0.01% accuracy are, as you say, many thousands of £/$.

                                        Anyway 6W is low enough for me.  :)

                                        Steve

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                                        • W
                                          watercooled
                                          last edited by

                                          OK here are some DC measurements from my 2D13 for comparison.

                                          Voltage set at 12.0V
                                          Idle: 0.28A 3.36W
                                          ~60Mb/s download (speedtest): 0.34A 4.08W
                                          Max CPU, achieved with

                                          dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null
                                          

                                          or burnMMX: fluctuating between 0.37 and 0.39A 4.44-4.68W

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                                          • stephenw10S
                                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                            last edited by

                                            Nice.  :)
                                            I'm certainly prepared to believe those measurements, assuming the psu holds 12V well enough.  ;)

                                            How many Watts do you think are lost in the PSU, it's efficiency?
                                            Given the small variation in power, 5W max, perhaps the supplied psu is still highly efficient at 3.36W.
                                            Pure speculation time: I would expect to see perhaps 0.25-0.5W loss in the PSU in which case I would hope an AC side power meter should read 4W (if it doesn't display fractions of a Watt).

                                            User phil.davis could tell us a lot about the power consumption of the old Alix board since a lot of his sites are solar powered.

                                            Steve

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