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    • nesenseN
      nesense
      last edited by

      Hello gents, I got the APU board prototype yesterday with the recommended package:

      apu1b board
      case1d2blku enclosure (black gives best cooling)
      ac12veur2 AC adapter (or ac12vus)
      msata16a m-SATA SSD (optional)
      wle200nx miniPCI wifi + 2 pigsma + 2 antsmadb (optional)

      First of all I tried flashing the embedded NanoBSD image to a SanDisk 4GB SDHC card (2) and it failed to mount the filesystem after boot, I also tried the Memstick image on the sdcard and it failed too, I'm not sure why but from the documentation provided with the board it says that the sdcard reader is connected through USB on board.

      Next thing I tried was flashing the embedded nanobsd image on a usb flash drive and that also failed, I ended up booting it successfully with flashing the memstick-serial image on the usb flash drive, and installing the OS on the m-SATA, since installing on SDCard also failed using this method (got incorrect block/geometry I think)

      the provided WiFi kept giving me kernel panic, I tried mixed G+N mode and it crashed with auto channel selection, when I set it to channel 11 it didn't crash the kernel but the wifi card failed to start and the interface kept showing as DOWN, also 802.11g failed and crashed the kernel:

      Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
      cpuid = 1; apic id = 01
      fault virtual address  = 0xe
      fault code              = supervisor read data, page not present
      instruction pointer    = 0x20:0xffffffff802e830f
      stack pointer          = 0x28:0xffffff802f059750
      frame pointer          = 0x28:0xffffff8000299000
      code segment            = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b
                              = DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1
      processor eflags        = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0
      current process        = 74391 (ifconfig)
      trap number            = 12
      panic: page fault
      cpuid = 1
      panic: bufwrite: buffer is not busy???
      cpuid = 1

      ath0: unable to reset hardware; hal status 3
      aath0: ath_chan_set: unable to reset channel 11 (2462 MHz, flags 0x480), hal status 3
      th0: ath_reset: unable to reset hardware; hal status 3

      Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
      cpuid = 0; apic id = 00
      fault virtual a

      Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
      cpuid = 1; apic id = 01
      fault virtual address  = 0xe
      fault code              = supervisor read data, page not present
      instruction pointer    = 0x20:0xffffffff802eaedd
      stack pointer          = 0x28:0xffffff80000209f0
      frame pointer          = 0x28:0xffffff8000299000
      code segment            = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b
                              = DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1
      processor eflags        = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0
      current process        = 11 (swi4: clock)
      trap number            = 12
      panic: page fault
      cpuid = 1
      ddress  = 0xe
      fault code              = supervisor read data, page not present
      instruction pointer    = 0x20:0xffffffff802e830f
      stack pointer          = 0x28:0xffffff802f02c750
      frame pointer          = 0x28:0xffffff8000299000
      code segment            = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b
                              = DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1
      processor eflags        = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0
      current process        = 45851 (ifconfig)
      trap number            = 12

      Packages managing the LEDs aren't working.

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      • A
        athurdent
        last edited by

        @nesense:

        Hello gents, I got the APU board prototype yesterday with the recommended package:

        When you find the time it would be great if you could do some performance tests, like NAT / Routing performance with or without traffic shaping.

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        • nesenseN
          nesense
          last edited by

          When you find the time it would be great if you could do some performance tests, like NAT / Routing performance with or without traffic shaping.

          using iperf to test throughput, default values, traffic shaper DISABLED:

          TCP window size:  129 KByte (default)
          –----------------------------------------------------------
          [  4] local 192.168.10.10 port 59068 connected with 192.168.10.1 port 5001
          [ ID] Interval      Transfer    Bandwidth
          [  4]  0.0-10.0 sec  388 MBytes  326 Mbits/sec

          Traffic shaper ENABLED using HFSC on 2 LAN and 1 WAN (voip + all p2p protocols + all network games + some other applications):

          –----------------------------------------------------------
          Client connecting to 192.168.10.1, TCP port 5001
          TCP window size:  129 KByte (default)

          [  4] local 192.168.10.10 port 59150 connected with 192.168.10.1 port 5001
          [ ID] Interval      Transfer    Bandwidth
          [  4]  0.0-10.0 sec  336 MBytes  282 Mbits/sec

          will test using netio next.

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          • stephenw10S
            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
            last edited by

            How are you testing that? A throughput test is what's needed, iperf running on two separate machine not on the pfSense box.
            326Mbps seems disappointingly slow.  :-\

            Steve

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            • nesenseN
              nesense
              last edited by

              @stephenw10:

              How are you testing that? A throughput test is what's needed, iperf running on two separate machine not on the pfSense box.
              326Mbps seems disappointingly slow.  :-\

              Steve

              i'm running iperf server on pfsense and client directly connected to it through 1gbit ethernet macbook port

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              • stephenw10S
                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                last edited by

                Ah, well not test that really gives a useful figure because that doesn't represent a normal firewall/routing situation. You need to run the server on a separate machine connected to a different interface to get a useful comparable figure.

                Steve

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                • nesenseN
                  nesense
                  last edited by

                  @stephenw10:

                  Ah, well not test that really gives a useful figure because that doesn't represent a normal firewall/routing situation. You need to run the server on a separate machine connected to a different interface to get a useful comparable figure.

                  Steve

                  you mean put a switch for example between pfsense running on APU board and the laptop instead of pfsense <–> laptop?

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                  • A
                    athurdent
                    last edited by

                    Nesense, thanks for your efforts!
                    A good test scenario would be something like this I think:

                    [Laptop (192.168.10.10)] - [LAN Interface (192.168.10.1) - ALIX - WAN Interface (1.1.1.1)] - [iperf server (1.1.1.2)] 
                    
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                    • nesenseN
                      nesense
                      last edited by

                      @athurdent:

                      Nesense, thanks for your efforts!
                      A good test scenario would be something like this I think:

                      [Laptop (192.168.10.10)] - [LAN Interface (192.168.10.1) - ALIX - WAN Interface (1.1.1.1)] - [iperf server (1.1.1.2)] 
                      

                      No problem, I'm interested to know how well it performs too  ;D

                      Sadly I can't do such a test right now since my WAN interface is running on 100MBIT and my other computer has its monitor at repair, i'll try to borrow a second laptop or something to do throughput tests ASAP.

                      BTW the thermal sensors aren't working.

                      Any idea how I can get the WLE200NX wifi card to work on pfsense? it uses the AR9280 Atheros chipset, there's this thread http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=55403.0 that mentions FreeBSD 9.x drivers working with it and that they're already on pfsense 2.1 but i'm still having issues.

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                      • nesenseN
                        nesense
                        last edited by

                        here's a picture of the board:

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                        • W
                          watercooled
                          last edited by

                          Do you have some way to measure power consumption of the board?

                          For comparison, I measured the 2D13 at 3W AC idle through a reasonably efficient 12V power supply. Although IIRC it didn't change under load either, my meter doesn't have decimal resolution.

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                          • nesenseN
                            nesense
                            last edited by

                            @watercooled:

                            Do you have some way to measure power consumption of the board?

                            For comparison, I measured the 2D13 at 3W AC idle through a reasonably efficient 12V power supply. Although IIRC it didn't change under load either, my meter doesn't have decimal resolution.

                            Document says 6 to 12W depending on CPU load. This is using the T40N CPU with a 9W TDP. plan is to change to T40E with a 6W TDP.

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                            • W
                              watercooled
                              last edited by

                              The documentation claims about 5W DC for the existing Geode platform though, and I measured lower than that AC, so I was wondering if measured power could again be lower.

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                              • stephenw10S
                                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                last edited by

                                Some of those plug-in power meters claim an amazing accuracy. However if you look at the cost if genuinely accurate power meters it's hard to believe. That's especially true for switching power supplies. It wouldn't surprise me to find they misread by a few Watts at very low power levels.

                                Steve

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                                • nesenseN
                                  nesense
                                  last edited by

                                  BTW it also states that PoE is not supported and never will for the APU board.

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                                  • W
                                    watercooled
                                    last edited by

                                    @stephenw10:

                                    Some of those plug-in power meters claim an amazing accuracy. However if you look at the cost if genuinely accurate power meters it's hard to believe. That's especially true for switching power supplies. It wouldn't surprise me to find they misread by a few Watts at very low power levels.

                                    Steve

                                    I've found mine to be reasonably accurate (it's not a cheap one), allowing for rounding without any decimals of course, and it does account for PF for instance. But I will try to get around to measuring DC draw.

                                    It's not like consumer meters are £1000 worth of kit either.

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                                    • stephenw10S
                                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                      last edited by

                                      Well exactly. My meter was ~£30 and seems to work OK. It measures Watts and VA so I guess it allows for powerfactor but it's clearly not true RMS so I doubt it reads 'spiky' waveforms too well. I still use it though because it gives me a good idea of what's drawing power and if I reduce that. Just keep in mind that real power meters that have 0.01% accuracy are, as you say, many thousands of £/$.

                                      Anyway 6W is low enough for me.  :)

                                      Steve

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                                      • W
                                        watercooled
                                        last edited by

                                        OK here are some DC measurements from my 2D13 for comparison.

                                        Voltage set at 12.0V
                                        Idle: 0.28A 3.36W
                                        ~60Mb/s download (speedtest): 0.34A 4.08W
                                        Max CPU, achieved with

                                        dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null
                                        

                                        or burnMMX: fluctuating between 0.37 and 0.39A 4.44-4.68W

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                                        • stephenw10S
                                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                          last edited by

                                          Nice.  :)
                                          I'm certainly prepared to believe those measurements, assuming the psu holds 12V well enough.  ;)

                                          How many Watts do you think are lost in the PSU, it's efficiency?
                                          Given the small variation in power, 5W max, perhaps the supplied psu is still highly efficient at 3.36W.
                                          Pure speculation time: I would expect to see perhaps 0.25-0.5W loss in the PSU in which case I would hope an AC side power meter should read 4W (if it doesn't display fractions of a Watt).

                                          User phil.davis could tell us a lot about the power consumption of the old Alix board since a lot of his sites are solar powered.

                                          Steve

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                                          • W
                                            watercooled
                                            last edited by

                                            Yeah I was using a bench power supply and double-checked voltage and current with a couple of multimeters.

                                            The PSU I normally use, and did the AC measurements with, is a 60W FSP one which I also use to supply some other network kit (I've also measured with some 12W PSUs with the same results IIRC). It's efficiency level V so >87% average efficiency, although the points for that average are measured at 25, 50, 75 and 100 percent load, so it may not be that efficient at <10% load.

                                            Either way, you're likely correct the AC meter should be displaying 4W. The resolution isn't ideal for measuring this low TBF, but it's ballpark accurate at least. Even being less than half a Watt out and clipping the decimals rather than rounding up could explain why it displays 3.

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