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    • DerelictD
      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
      last edited by

      If you have two IP addresses create a VIP on WAN for the other unless your ISP is one of the ones that inexplicably requires a separate MAC address for it.

      Then just manually outbound NAT one of the Xboxes out the second IP address and you should be set.

      Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
      A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
      DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
      Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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        xman111
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        Derelict,

        thanks for the reply,  i was  thinking about that.  I have my cable modem bridged,  it is a cable modem/router.  My ISP told my to plug my standard network into port one,  and my additional IP into port 2 of the cable modem,  neither are static.

        Do you think it would still work?

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        • DerelictD
          Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
          last edited by

          Depends on the provider. Put a VIP for the second IP address on WAN and see.

          https://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/What_are_Virtual_IP_Addresses

          Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
          A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
          DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
          Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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            xman111
            last edited by

            pretty sure Shaw is one that binds to a mac address..

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            • DerelictD
              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
              last edited by

              SoL if so. Yet another broken ISP.

              Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
              A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
              DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
              Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                xman111
                last edited by

                that figures..

                quick observation though..

                if one of my ps4's is connected with a wired connection and the other PS4 is connected wirelessly, both PS4's can play together in the same game, exactly how I want it.

                I want to get them both on the wired segment though just for speed and reliability.

                Could that help diagnose the problem?  both on wired, doesn't work.

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                • DerelictD
                  Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                  last edited by

                  What is providing your wireless?

                  Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                  A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                  DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                  Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                    xman111
                    last edited by

                    unifi AP Pro on 192.168.20.0 and a Cisco sg300-28 for the lan 192.168.10.0.  weird though when both on wireless it won't work either.  The only way we can both be in the same game is one on wireless, one on wired.  When on wireless, NAT is reported at type 3, on wired, NAT reported as type 2.

                    actually this isn't true. We can both play together on the wireless, must have been a different error server side.. we are playing now both on wireless, NAT type 3.

                    just can't seem to play together on the wired segment.

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                    • DerelictD
                      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                      last edited by

                      Shouldn't matter as far as pfSense is concerned. I would look at all the NAT settings for both subnets. Maybe you found something that works on the wireless side.

                      Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                      A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                      DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                      Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                        xman111
                        last edited by

                        thanks for your time, Derelict. the only thing different is I don't have the static ports set on the wireless or DHCP reservations.  Will keep digging.

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                        • DerelictD
                          Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                          last edited by

                          So don't do that on the LAN. If they both work on wireless but not on wired, make wired like woreless. Unsetting static ports aren't going to break anything else. In fact, setting it is more likely to cause breakage.

                          Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                          A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                          DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                          Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                            xman111
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                            hey guys, i think i figured it out.

                            Under >Nat>>Outbound I had a static port set for the LAN outbound network by mistake.  It showed an arrow, not multiple arrows, that is the only way i noticed it.

                            I also was adding Static ports for both the PS4's and i guess it was conflicting.  If I just use UPNP one PS4 would get NAT Type 2, the other would get NAT Type 3.

                            How I have it setup now is UPnP on (will tighten this up later), then on one PS4, have it set to static port for outbound NAT.  That way both PS4s report back as NAT Type 2 and we can both play the same games together on my wired connection.

                            So happy, going to simplify my wiring a bunch at our new house.

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                              W4RH34D
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                              So here's the deal.

                              NAT type 3 is still playable but it has issues routing chat and other services along side it.  It would be impossible or extremely glitchy to get host in matchmaking as well.

                              You need to make the devices static ip outside dhcp reservation scope.  You need NAT forwarding with static ports for any/any for each of those static ip.  You need Upnp on with the scope of sockets open and allowed.

                              You'll get both to work just fine that way.  It's how I do it.
                              I have a segmented gaming subnet so I'm not worried about how lax this is.

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                              Did you really check your cables?

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                                xman111
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                                I am having trouble with my same settings that were working after the Battlefield update.  So I need to have static port for each PS4?

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                                  W4RH34D
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                                  This is what works for me.  Since half of the equation is on Sony's side and no documentation is available - there's a bit of trial and error.

                                  Any of the items in those pictures change then we have issues.

                                  Did you really check your cables?

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                                    xman111
                                    last edited by

                                    just trying to go through the attachments.. how many PS4's do you have?  thanks for taking the time to post this.

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                                      W4RH34D
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                                      Just 2.  NP - this is the 6th iteration of our "gaming" network.

                                      It is working exceptionally well.

                                      Did you really check your cables?

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                                        xman111
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                                        can i just ask what IP they each have so I can make sense of your attachments?

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                                          W4RH34D
                                          last edited by

                                          You're seeing the upnp, firewall for the interface and the nat forwarding rules.

                                          The UPNP has the IP's of every gaming device added so that it can put ports into the service.

                                          The NAT forwarding allows unsolicited incoming connections to any port needed for the 2 ps4's, I only put one up because you only need to duplicate that and adjust for the static ip's you want to be open.

                                          The firewall just shows the any/any plus ICMP.

                                          Did you really check your cables?

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                                            xman111
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                                            thanks bro, we are moving into our new place on Saturday and will try it out.

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