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      robi
      last edited by

      All these "Easy Smart Switch" models have this "feature". I think this is intentionally like this, for very basic home users. To be "easy" to use the GUI…
      You have to buy products from their series called "Smart Switches" or "Managed Switches", not the "Easy Smart Switches" series.

      "Smart Switches" and "Managed Switches" don't exhibit these problems. I just deployed a network consisting of about 60 such switches in various sizes, all interconnected with optics and offering 2 dozens of VLANs, no unwanted traffic passing between them. On top of this, 2 CARP-enabled pfSense boxes do all the inter-VLAN traffic.

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        warheat1990
        last edited by

        I email their support and technical few times, gave them a link to this thread and never got a response, you get what you pay for I guess.

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          Finger79
          last edited by

          @CanYaHearMeNow4:

          If anyone has some free time to submit similar security feedback, it might help the cause: http://www.tp-link.com/us/security

          Ironically, that page isn't available over HTTPS, so the entire form contents are in the clear.

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          • johnpozJ
            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
            last edited by

            It is there via https - just BAD

            The certificate is only valid for the following names: *.akamaized.net, *.akamaihd-staging.net, *.akamaized-staging.net, *.akamaihd.net, a248.e.akamai.net

            Agree yet another example of not really getting it ;)

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              VAMike
              last edited by

              @johnpoz:

              It is there via https - just BAD

              The certificate is only valid for the following names: *.akamaized.net, *.akamaihd-staging.net, *.akamaized-staging.net, *.akamaihd.net, a248.e.akamai.net

              Agree yet another example of not really getting it ;)

              Those are always there when a site is hosted on akamai but not using https.

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                warheat1990
                last edited by

                TP-Link released beta firmware on July 2017 for both SG105E and SG108E, anyone care to try?

                Link:
                http://static.tp-link.com/TL-SG105E(UN)_V3_170717_Beta.rar
                http://static.tp-link.com/TL-SG108E(UN)_V3_170717_Beta.rar

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                • johnpozJ
                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                  last edited by

                  did they release for v2?

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                  • stephenw10S
                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                    last edited by

                    Mmm, did they release for anything else? Is there an announcement anywhere?

                    Steve

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                    • johnpozJ
                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                      last edited by

                      Not that I could find.. Typical it seems for this company..

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                      • thuetyT
                        thuety
                        last edited by

                        So my sg108e is directly connected to my cable modem with untagged VLAN x and PVID x.
                        How worried should I be about the VLAN 1 membership?
                        Wouldn't an attacker need to be in my cable/wan subnet?

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                        • DerelictD
                          Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                          last edited by

                          I would not use that switch on WAN. It's a sketchy enough proposition with a good switch with a proper management VLAN.

                          Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                          A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                          DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                          Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                            belt9
                            last edited by

                            Security wise for a switch on WAN how about a RADIUS server?

                            Doesn't pfSense even have a package for that?

                            Never used it before so might not work at all?

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                            • DerelictD
                              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                              last edited by

                              What?

                              Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                              A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                              DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
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                              • lexxaiL
                                lexxai
                                last edited by

                                Will add about security of this devices…
                                TL-SG1016DE security of changes value without any authentication.
                                It from testing of my device… VLAN1 is problem.
                                Now SG1016DE used only internally.

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                                  tpham3783
                                  last edited by

                                  Hi guys,

                                  Since TP-Link refused to give me the source code so I decided to take on this issue myself.

                                  Here is how you can hack ( un-member ports on vlan1).  I have already tested on the SG108PE (hw version 3) switch and it worked.

                                  1.  Setup your vlan configuration as usual
                                  2.  Save the config (config.cfg)
                                  3.  Open it up with a Hex-editor.  Right after the text "Default_VLAN" you will see FF (that's basically means all 8 ports are member of untagged vlan1).  Change it to 00 if you want to un-member all ports from vlan1.  As shown in the attached picture, I changed it to 80 because I still wanted port 8 to be a member of vlan1 so that I can manage the switch from web-gui.
                                  4.  Save the file, restore the modified config in system:system_tools:restore_config
                                  5.  Wait for the switch to reboot, goto vlan config, notice that ports belonging to vlan1 are changed.

                                  Cheers!  I still hope for tp-link to fix this VLAN1 bug one day!  This is just a work-around.

                                  tp_vlan1_disable_all_ports.png
                                  tp_vlan1_disable_all_ports.png_thumb
                                  tp_link_unmember_vlan1_hack.png
                                  tp_link_unmember_vlan1_hack.png_thumb

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                                  • JKnottJ
                                    JKnott
                                    last edited by

                                    I'll have to give that a try with my 5 port switch.  I don't suppose you'd have a fix for their TL-WA901N access point.  ;)
                                    It has the same problem where data from the native LAN leaks into the VLAN & 2nd SSID.

                                    I think those TP Link engineers need a lesson or 2 on VLANs.

                                    PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                    i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                    UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                                    • JKnottJ
                                      JKnott
                                      last edited by

                                      That fix doesn't seem to apply to the TL-SG105E switch.

                                      PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                      i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                      UniFi AC-Lite access point

                                      I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                                        tpham3783
                                        last edited by

                                        @JKnott:

                                        That fix doesn't seem to apply to the TL-SG105E switch.

                                        Were you able to see the port assignment changed in step# 5?

                                        by the way, i saw vlan isolation w/ the work-around solution.  The only thing I saw strange was that the switch's IP address is a member of all vlans.  If I were to change my PC's IP address to the same subnet of the switch, I could communicate to it on non-native vlan, which is kinda weird.

                                        However, the switch is no longer behaving like a dumb switch because ports are removed from vlan1.

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                                        • johnpozJ
                                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                          last edited by

                                          I will give this a try on 105E v2 tonight when I get home..  Great info.. Thanks.

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                                          • lexxaiL
                                            lexxai
                                            last edited by

                                            Some analyze information about apply this method to TL-SG1016DE (HW:2)

                                            vlan:777,port: 5tag, name: TESTVVV
                                            777 = 0x0309 (0x09 0x03)
                                            5 =  0x10  (0001 0000) 5 bit.

                                            vlan:777,port: 5untag, name: TESTVVV
                                            777 = 0x0309 (0x09 0x03)
                                            5 =  0x10  (0001 0000) 5 bit.

                                            source: http://lexxai.pp.ua

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