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      Finger79
      last edited by

      @CanYaHearMeNow4:

      If anyone has some free time to submit similar security feedback, it might help the cause: http://www.tp-link.com/us/security

      Ironically, that page isn't available over HTTPS, so the entire form contents are in the clear.

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      • johnpozJ
        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
        last edited by

        It is there via https - just BAD

        The certificate is only valid for the following names: *.akamaized.net, *.akamaihd-staging.net, *.akamaized-staging.net, *.akamaihd.net, a248.e.akamai.net

        Agree yet another example of not really getting it ;)

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          VAMike
          last edited by

          @johnpoz:

          It is there via https - just BAD

          The certificate is only valid for the following names: *.akamaized.net, *.akamaihd-staging.net, *.akamaized-staging.net, *.akamaihd.net, a248.e.akamai.net

          Agree yet another example of not really getting it ;)

          Those are always there when a site is hosted on akamai but not using https.

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            warheat1990
            last edited by

            TP-Link released beta firmware on July 2017 for both SG105E and SG108E, anyone care to try?

            Link:
            http://static.tp-link.com/TL-SG105E(UN)_V3_170717_Beta.rar
            http://static.tp-link.com/TL-SG108E(UN)_V3_170717_Beta.rar

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            • johnpozJ
              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
              last edited by

              did they release for v2?

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              • stephenw10S
                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                last edited by

                Mmm, did they release for anything else? Is there an announcement anywhere?

                Steve

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                • johnpozJ
                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                  last edited by

                  Not that I could find.. Typical it seems for this company..

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                  • thuetyT
                    thuety
                    last edited by

                    So my sg108e is directly connected to my cable modem with untagged VLAN x and PVID x.
                    How worried should I be about the VLAN 1 membership?
                    Wouldn't an attacker need to be in my cable/wan subnet?

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                    • DerelictD
                      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                      last edited by

                      I would not use that switch on WAN. It's a sketchy enough proposition with a good switch with a proper management VLAN.

                      Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                      A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                      DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                      Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                        belt9
                        last edited by

                        Security wise for a switch on WAN how about a RADIUS server?

                        Doesn't pfSense even have a package for that?

                        Never used it before so might not work at all?

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                        • DerelictD
                          Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                          last edited by

                          What?

                          Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                          A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                          DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
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                          • lexxaiL
                            lexxai
                            last edited by

                            Will add about security of this devices…
                            TL-SG1016DE security of changes value without any authentication.
                            It from testing of my device… VLAN1 is problem.
                            Now SG1016DE used only internally.

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                            We have what we have. Everything that happens - for the better.

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                              tpham3783
                              last edited by

                              Hi guys,

                              Since TP-Link refused to give me the source code so I decided to take on this issue myself.

                              Here is how you can hack ( un-member ports on vlan1).  I have already tested on the SG108PE (hw version 3) switch and it worked.

                              1.  Setup your vlan configuration as usual
                              2.  Save the config (config.cfg)
                              3.  Open it up with a Hex-editor.  Right after the text "Default_VLAN" you will see FF (that's basically means all 8 ports are member of untagged vlan1).  Change it to 00 if you want to un-member all ports from vlan1.  As shown in the attached picture, I changed it to 80 because I still wanted port 8 to be a member of vlan1 so that I can manage the switch from web-gui.
                              4.  Save the file, restore the modified config in system:system_tools:restore_config
                              5.  Wait for the switch to reboot, goto vlan config, notice that ports belonging to vlan1 are changed.

                              Cheers!  I still hope for tp-link to fix this VLAN1 bug one day!  This is just a work-around.

                              tp_vlan1_disable_all_ports.png
                              tp_vlan1_disable_all_ports.png_thumb
                              tp_link_unmember_vlan1_hack.png
                              tp_link_unmember_vlan1_hack.png_thumb

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                              • JKnottJ
                                JKnott
                                last edited by

                                I'll have to give that a try with my 5 port switch.  I don't suppose you'd have a fix for their TL-WA901N access point.  ;)
                                It has the same problem where data from the native LAN leaks into the VLAN & 2nd SSID.

                                I think those TP Link engineers need a lesson or 2 on VLANs.

                                PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                UniFi AC-Lite access point

                                I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                                • JKnottJ
                                  JKnott
                                  last edited by

                                  That fix doesn't seem to apply to the TL-SG105E switch.

                                  PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                  i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                  UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                                    tpham3783
                                    last edited by

                                    @JKnott:

                                    That fix doesn't seem to apply to the TL-SG105E switch.

                                    Were you able to see the port assignment changed in step# 5?

                                    by the way, i saw vlan isolation w/ the work-around solution.  The only thing I saw strange was that the switch's IP address is a member of all vlans.  If I were to change my PC's IP address to the same subnet of the switch, I could communicate to it on non-native vlan, which is kinda weird.

                                    However, the switch is no longer behaving like a dumb switch because ports are removed from vlan1.

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                                    • johnpozJ
                                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                      last edited by

                                      I will give this a try on 105E v2 tonight when I get home..  Great info.. Thanks.

                                      An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools
                                      If you get confused: Listen to the Music Play
                                      Please don't Chat/PM me for help, unless mod related
                                      SG-4860 24.11 | Lab VMs 2.8, 24.11

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                                      • lexxaiL
                                        lexxai
                                        last edited by

                                        Some analyze information about apply this method to TL-SG1016DE (HW:2)

                                        vlan:777,port: 5tag, name: TESTVVV
                                        777 = 0x0309 (0x09 0x03)
                                        5 =  0x10  (0001 0000) 5 bit.

                                        vlan:777,port: 5untag, name: TESTVVV
                                        777 = 0x0309 (0x09 0x03)
                                        5 =  0x10  (0001 0000) 5 bit.

                                        source: http://lexxai.pp.ua

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                                        • thuetyT
                                          thuety
                                          last edited by

                                          @tpham3783:

                                          Here is how you can hack ( un-member ports on vlan1).  I have already tested on the SG108PE (hw version 3) switch and it worked.

                                          Worked on my TL-SG108E 2.0, thanks!
                                          Why didn't I think of this…  ::)

                                          sg108e_vlan1_hack.PNG
                                          sg108e_vlan1_hack.PNG_thumb

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                                          • JKnottJ
                                            JKnott
                                            last edited by

                                            Were you able to see the port assignment changed in step# 5?

                                            No, there was very little recognizable text in the hex editor.  I did not see the word "Default", as shown in lexxai's post.

                                            The only thing I saw strange was that the switch's IP address is a member of all vlans.  If I were to change my PC's IP address to the same subnet of the switch, I could communicate to it on non-native vlan, which is kinda weird.

                                            On managed switches I've worked on, there was a specific management interface, which was assigned an IP address.  I've also set up networks where the management interface was on a separate VLAN.

                                            PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                            i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                            UniFi AC-Lite access point

                                            I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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