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    NetGear(s) in AP Mode will not communicate on different LANs (Resolved)

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    • N
      Napsterbater @z71prix
      last edited by

      @z71prix do the APs have correct gateway/default route set?

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      • johnpozJ
        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
        last edited by

        Yeah if the device doesn't have a gateway then no you wouldn't be able to talk to from another network... Without source natting the traffic to look like its on the same lan as the device without a gateway.

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          z71prix
          last edited by

          Both routers are setup in default AP mode. The gateways are in the pictures below, looks like gateway received from each LAN on pfsense.

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          • johnpozJ
            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
            last edited by

            Then it could be issue with the netgear just not wanting to allow remote access to its gui... Look to see if you can enable remote admin.

            If not since you say it works when you access it from device on that network.. Source nat it so traffic from your remote IP looks like its on that vlan... This is done in the outbound nat tab picking the interface the AP is on, vs the WAN interface.

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              z71prix
              last edited by

              Hello John,

              Remote on the routers are unavailable.
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              I went to NAT Outbound and changed below to LAN1 and LAN2 is this what you were referring too? If so still no communication to the router APs?

              0_1548526759057_5.JPG

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              • johnpozJ
                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                last edited by johnpoz

                Dude your natting everything your VPN.. That is most likely where your problem is!!

                Why would you not be in hybrid mode if your using a vpn?

                And you would want to setup destination on when to source nat the traffic.

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                  z71prix
                  last edited by

                  John,

                  I followed instructions from someone that setup NordVPN, based on that are where these settings came from. LOL

                  I want every device on LAN1 to go through VPN. LAN2 I want every device to go though WAN

                  Does this look correct now based on what I described above? If so still not working.

                  0_1548527746072_6.JPG

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                  • DerelictD
                    Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                    last edited by Derelict

                    You would probably want to NAT source any or source from an alias with RFC1918. At a minimum you want to NAT from LAN1 sources outbound on LAN2 and LAN2 sources out of LAN1. You also probably want to limit the NAT to just the destination of the APs.

                    And, yes, you probably want to use Hybrid NAT mode and let it do the heavy lifting with you only adding the LAN1 and LAN2 rules. (Yeah, that's better in Hybrid mode.)

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                      z71prix
                      last edited by z71prix

                      I cleaned up NAT and using Hybrid
                      0_1548531473621_13.PNG

                      No VPN internet now on LAN1?

                      LAN2 internet from WAN is ok.

                      LAN1 Rules
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                      I'm not sure how to setup an alisas for RFC1918, can you provide guidance? I'm so confused now.

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                      • RicoR
                        Rico LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance
                        last edited by Rico

                        Navigate to Firewall > Aliases:
                        Create an alias for the RFC1918 network ranges. Call it private_networks and include the following ranges:

                        • 10.0.0.0/8
                        • 172.16.0.0/12
                        • 192.168.0.0/16

                        -Rico

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                          z71prix
                          last edited by

                          Hello Rico,

                          Thank you for the instructions, I did make a small change due to my LANs IP addresses. correct?

                          Internet works on LAN2 however still not working on LAN1 VPN internet?

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                            z71prix
                            last edited by

                            Got the VPN internet back on LAN1 by adding to NAT? Does this look correct?

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                            • DerelictD
                              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                              last edited by

                              Why did you check static port on the LAN1 and LAN2 NAT rules. Nobody told you to do that.

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                                z71prix
                                last edited by

                                Hello Derelict,

                                pfsense defaulted to static. LOL now it's corrected.

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                                • johnpozJ
                                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                  last edited by johnpoz

                                  And does it work? Sniff on lan2 interface when trying to talk to lan2 AP from lan 1... Is the source IP your Lan2 interface IP.. Does the AP answer?

                                  If works really no reason to sniff - but if not working they validate that pfsense is sending with source IP changed..

                                  And NO pfsense does not default to static
                                  0_1548534150058_notdefaultstatic.png

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                                  • DerelictD
                                    Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                    last edited by Derelict

                                    The only way I can see it behaving like you thought static port was the default is if you used the copy icon on one of the existing static port NAT rules for ISAKMP. Which looks to be the case baseed on the rule description. :)

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                                      z71prix
                                      last edited by

                                      John,

                                      Still not working? What do you mean to sniff?

                                      Correct, I copied the rule and it was checked. Sorry for the false information, thanks for the correction.

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                                      • DerelictD
                                        Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate @z71prix
                                        last edited by

                                        @z71prix So you are trying to connect from a host on LAN2 to an AP on LAN1 (10.1.10.104).

                                        What are the firewall rules on the LAN2 interface?

                                        Can you ping the AP instead of trying to connect to it?

                                        Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                                        A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                                        DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
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                                          z71prix
                                          last edited by

                                          Derelict,

                                          I'm on LAN1 now and pinged router AP on LAN2 ok, however cannot connect on web interface still.
                                          0_1548535880050_10.JPG

                                          Rules on LAN2
                                          0_1548535897658_11.JPG
                                          Rules on LAN1
                                          0_1548535904209_12.JPG
                                          thank you

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                                          • DerelictD
                                            Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                            last edited by

                                            Don't ping from the firewall, ping from the same host you are trying to connect from.

                                            Please stick with ONE and ONLY ONE test scenario. Bouncing between connecting to 10.1.10.104 then 10.1.20.115 only confuses the troubleshooting steps. Fix the first and you'll probably fix both.

                                            Diagnostics > Packet Capture

                                            Interface: LAN2
                                            Host: 10.1.10.104
                                            Packets: 10000
                                            Level of Detail: Full
                                            Start
                                            ping from the host you are trying to connect from. Windows default of a 4 count should be fine.
                                            Try to connect to the web interface. Let if fail.
                                            Stop the Capture
                                            Copy/paste what is there here.

                                            Then:

                                            Diagnostics > Packet Capture

                                            Interface: LAN1
                                            Host: 10.1.10.104
                                            Packets: 10000
                                            Level of Detail: Full
                                            Start
                                            ping from the host you are trying to connect from. Windows default of a 4 count should be fine.
                                            Try to connect to the web interface Let it fail.
                                            Stop the Capture
                                            Copy/paste what is there here.

                                            Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                                            A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                                            DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                                            Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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