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    NetGear(s) in AP Mode will not communicate on different LANs (Resolved)

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    • johnpozJ
      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
      last edited by

      Yeah if the device doesn't have a gateway then no you wouldn't be able to talk to from another network... Without source natting the traffic to look like its on the same lan as the device without a gateway.

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      • Z
        z71prix
        last edited by

        Both routers are setup in default AP mode. The gateways are in the pictures below, looks like gateway received from each LAN on pfsense.

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        • johnpozJ
          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
          last edited by

          Then it could be issue with the netgear just not wanting to allow remote access to its gui... Look to see if you can enable remote admin.

          If not since you say it works when you access it from device on that network.. Source nat it so traffic from your remote IP looks like its on that vlan... This is done in the outbound nat tab picking the interface the AP is on, vs the WAN interface.

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          • Z
            z71prix
            last edited by

            Hello John,

            Remote on the routers are unavailable.
            0_1548526688344_4.JPG

            I went to NAT Outbound and changed below to LAN1 and LAN2 is this what you were referring too? If so still no communication to the router APs?

            0_1548526759057_5.JPG

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            • johnpozJ
              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
              last edited by johnpoz

              Dude your natting everything your VPN.. That is most likely where your problem is!!

              Why would you not be in hybrid mode if your using a vpn?

              And you would want to setup destination on when to source nat the traffic.

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              • Z
                z71prix
                last edited by

                John,

                I followed instructions from someone that setup NordVPN, based on that are where these settings came from. LOL

                I want every device on LAN1 to go through VPN. LAN2 I want every device to go though WAN

                Does this look correct now based on what I described above? If so still not working.

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                • DerelictD
                  Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                  last edited by Derelict

                  You would probably want to NAT source any or source from an alias with RFC1918. At a minimum you want to NAT from LAN1 sources outbound on LAN2 and LAN2 sources out of LAN1. You also probably want to limit the NAT to just the destination of the APs.

                  And, yes, you probably want to use Hybrid NAT mode and let it do the heavy lifting with you only adding the LAN1 and LAN2 rules. (Yeah, that's better in Hybrid mode.)

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                  • Z
                    z71prix
                    last edited by z71prix

                    I cleaned up NAT and using Hybrid
                    0_1548531473621_13.PNG

                    No VPN internet now on LAN1?

                    LAN2 internet from WAN is ok.

                    LAN1 Rules
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                    I'm not sure how to setup an alisas for RFC1918, can you provide guidance? I'm so confused now.

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                    • RicoR
                      Rico LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance
                      last edited by Rico

                      Navigate to Firewall > Aliases:
                      Create an alias for the RFC1918 network ranges. Call it private_networks and include the following ranges:

                      • 10.0.0.0/8
                      • 172.16.0.0/12
                      • 192.168.0.0/16

                      -Rico

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                      • Z
                        z71prix
                        last edited by

                        Hello Rico,

                        Thank you for the instructions, I did make a small change due to my LANs IP addresses. correct?

                        Internet works on LAN2 however still not working on LAN1 VPN internet?

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                        • Z
                          z71prix
                          last edited by

                          Got the VPN internet back on LAN1 by adding to NAT? Does this look correct?

                          0_1548533196121_16.PNG

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                          • DerelictD
                            Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                            last edited by

                            Why did you check static port on the LAN1 and LAN2 NAT rules. Nobody told you to do that.

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                            • Z
                              z71prix
                              last edited by

                              Hello Derelict,

                              pfsense defaulted to static. LOL now it's corrected.

                              0_1548533881573_17.PNG

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                              • johnpozJ
                                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                last edited by johnpoz

                                And does it work? Sniff on lan2 interface when trying to talk to lan2 AP from lan 1... Is the source IP your Lan2 interface IP.. Does the AP answer?

                                If works really no reason to sniff - but if not working they validate that pfsense is sending with source IP changed..

                                And NO pfsense does not default to static
                                0_1548534150058_notdefaultstatic.png

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                                • DerelictD
                                  Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                  last edited by Derelict

                                  The only way I can see it behaving like you thought static port was the default is if you used the copy icon on one of the existing static port NAT rules for ISAKMP. Which looks to be the case baseed on the rule description. :)

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                                  • Z
                                    z71prix
                                    last edited by

                                    John,

                                    Still not working? What do you mean to sniff?

                                    Correct, I copied the rule and it was checked. Sorry for the false information, thanks for the correction.

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                                    • DerelictD
                                      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate @z71prix
                                      last edited by

                                      @z71prix So you are trying to connect from a host on LAN2 to an AP on LAN1 (10.1.10.104).

                                      What are the firewall rules on the LAN2 interface?

                                      Can you ping the AP instead of trying to connect to it?

                                      Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                                      A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                                      DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
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                                      • Z
                                        z71prix
                                        last edited by

                                        Derelict,

                                        I'm on LAN1 now and pinged router AP on LAN2 ok, however cannot connect on web interface still.
                                        0_1548535880050_10.JPG

                                        Rules on LAN2
                                        0_1548535897658_11.JPG
                                        Rules on LAN1
                                        0_1548535904209_12.JPG
                                        thank you

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                                        • DerelictD
                                          Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                          last edited by

                                          Don't ping from the firewall, ping from the same host you are trying to connect from.

                                          Please stick with ONE and ONLY ONE test scenario. Bouncing between connecting to 10.1.10.104 then 10.1.20.115 only confuses the troubleshooting steps. Fix the first and you'll probably fix both.

                                          Diagnostics > Packet Capture

                                          Interface: LAN2
                                          Host: 10.1.10.104
                                          Packets: 10000
                                          Level of Detail: Full
                                          Start
                                          ping from the host you are trying to connect from. Windows default of a 4 count should be fine.
                                          Try to connect to the web interface. Let if fail.
                                          Stop the Capture
                                          Copy/paste what is there here.

                                          Then:

                                          Diagnostics > Packet Capture

                                          Interface: LAN1
                                          Host: 10.1.10.104
                                          Packets: 10000
                                          Level of Detail: Full
                                          Start
                                          ping from the host you are trying to connect from. Windows default of a 4 count should be fine.
                                          Try to connect to the web interface Let it fail.
                                          Stop the Capture
                                          Copy/paste what is there here.

                                          Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                                          A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                                          DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                                          Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                          • Z
                                            z71prix
                                            last edited by

                                            Ok, I'm currently on LAN1 trying to connect to AP on LAN2 IP 10.1.20.115

                                            Here's the results:

                                            0_1548537030232_14.JPG

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