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    VLAN's not working with pfSense and HP1810-24G Switch.

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    • HermanH
      Herman @Herman
      last edited by

      Hello Johnpoz,

      I am back in business again. Was able to reverse my mes sup with the MAC address.

      Let me show you what i Have done. That is after the restore :-)

      0_1551983681830_7d2eadcb-b6b3-460b-9527-004c6a0f5bdc-image.png

      Above you see the 2 virtual network adapters connected to my pfSense. one of them is the LAN and the other would be the WAN. cannot see that here. I think that is the reason why @bobtheninja was using the MAC address part???

      Next I executed the following command.

      0_1551983827785_bb363548-697a-457f-80b8-46bfefc12ce3-image.png

      After that evrything stops working. When setting the mode back to Untagged everything is working again.

      My HP 1810 switch is configured this way;

      0_1551984196584_d4363baa-5483-4577-b70e-0647071b27fc-image.png

      Port 1 on the switch that is connected to the pfSense LAN interface is configured as a Trunk port

      0_1551984317366_967d3ab0-fe92-47a7-8a09-7a7f0f449f67-image.png

      Any suggestions?

      Kind regards Herman

      Limburg | The Netherlands.
      It is nice to be important. But it is more important to be nice! | Failure, the best teacher it is!

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      • HermanH
        Herman @Herman
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        @herman said in VLAN's not working with pfSense and HP1810-24G Switch.:

        Hello Johnpoz,

        I am back in business again. Was able to reverse my mes sup with the MAC address.

        Let me show you what i Have done. That is after the restore :-)

        0_1551983681830_7d2eadcb-b6b3-460b-9527-004c6a0f5bdc-image.png

        Above you see the 2 virtual network adapters connected to my pfSense. one of them is the LAN and the other would be the WAN. cannot see that here. I think that is the reason why @bobtheninja was using the MAC address part???

        Next I executed the following command.

        0_1551983827785_bb363548-697a-457f-80b8-46bfefc12ce3-image.png

        After that evrything stops working. When setting the mode back to Untagged everything is working again.

        My HP 1810 switch is configured this way;

        0_1551984196584_d4363baa-5483-4577-b70e-0647071b27fc-image.png

        Port 1 on the switch that is connected to the pfSense LAN interface is configured as a Trunk port

        0_1551984317366_967d3ab0-fe92-47a7-8a09-7a7f0f449f67-image.png

        Any suggestions?

        Kind regards Herman

        Another screenshot how the interfaces are shown in pfSense;

        0_1551984801112_92e61d5d-1b4e-4996-b72a-a5c4fc6ce239-image.png

        Limburg | The Netherlands.
        It is nice to be important. But it is more important to be nice! | Failure, the best teacher it is!

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        • johnpozJ
          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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          You sure hp uses trunk in the same same with as cisco? WTF is static mode? Where are you tagging specific vlans?

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          • PippinP
            Pippin
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            Yes, there is a difference between HP and Cisco:
            https://networkingnerd.net/2011/02/02/when-is-a-trunk-not-a-trunk/

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            • johnpozJ
              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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              ^ exactly!!! I thought they were different!

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              • PippinP
                Pippin
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                On the old forum I posted a question few years ago and ran into this terminology problem myself, you where part of it too johnpoz ☺ , misunderstanding all around as same here, but cannot find the post...

                I gloomily came to the ironic conclusion that if you take a highly intelligent person and give them the best possible, elite education, then you will most likely wind up with an academic who is completely impervious to reality.
                Halton Arp

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                • johnpozJ
                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                  I have not had to touch an HP switch for years and years - and to be honest have no desire to any time soon... But yeah I recall terminology is different that cisco ;)

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                  • HermanH
                    Herman @johnpoz
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                    @johnpoz said in VLAN's not working with pfSense and HP1810-24G Switch.:

                    You sure hp uses trunk in the same same with as cisco? WTF is static mode? Where are you tagging specific vlans?

                    When I read the document Pipin provided HP uses tagged ports to carry multiple vlans.

                    Under mode there are the multiple option;

                    0_1552046688890_066e30e6-98ab-4ccf-8dca-d1d445cd4030-image.png

                    Gr. Herman

                    Limburg | The Netherlands.
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                    • HermanH
                      Herman @Pippin
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                      @pippin said in VLAN's not working with pfSense and HP1810-24G Switch.:

                      On the old forum I posted a question few years ago and ran into this terminology problem myself, you where part of it too johnpoz ☺ , misunderstanding all around as same here, but cannot find the post...

                      Hi Pipin, I really hoping you will ... :-)

                      It seems that my HP 1810-24G is the pain in the ass here.

                      Gr. Herman

                      Limburg | The Netherlands.
                      It is nice to be important. But it is more important to be nice! | Failure, the best teacher it is!

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                      • HermanH
                        Herman @johnpoz
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                        @johnpoz said in VLAN's not working with pfSense and HP1810-24G Switch.:

                        I have not had to touch an HP switch for years and years - and to be honest have no desire to any time soon... But yeah I recall terminology is different that cisco ;)

                        I have the feeling you are not a really big fan of HP switches 😉

                        You are tending more to Cisco? Is Unify also a good product?

                        gr. Herman

                        Limburg | The Netherlands.
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                        • johnpozJ
                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                          Not that not a fan of them... Just much more experience with Cisco, and the few times I have had to deal with HP.. Not impressed with them compared to the cisco use to working with.

                          For the price of unifi - you could get a pretty much full featured L3 switch from cisco small business line. The sg300 or sg350 line.. I just saw a sg350-28 on amazon for $179.. Its feature set far exceeds the same sort of price point from unifi.

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                          • GrimsonG
                            Grimson Banned @Herman
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                            @herman said in VLAN's not working with pfSense and HP1810-24G Switch.:

                            0_1552046688890_066e30e6-98ab-4ccf-8dca-d1d445cd4030-image.png

                            Those are LAGG modes, nothing to do with setting up VLANs.

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                            • HermanH
                              Herman @Grimson
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                              @grimson said in VLAN's not working with pfSense and HP1810-24G Switch.:

                              @herman said in VLAN's not working with pfSense and HP1810-24G Switch.:

                              0_1552046688890_066e30e6-98ab-4ccf-8dca-d1d445cd4030-image.png

                              Those are LAGG modes, nothing to do with setting up VLANs.

                              Thanks for your reply @Grimson .

                              Gr. Herman

                              Limburg | The Netherlands.
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                              • johnpozJ
                                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                last edited by johnpoz

                                The link pippin gave calls out what you need to do

                                "In HPvania, the terminology used for a port that carries multiple VLANs is a tagged port. On an HP switch, the individual ports are rarely configured directly. Instead, the VLAN itself is configured and the ports are added to the VLAN configuration. "

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                                • HermanH
                                  Herman
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                                  Hi Guys,

                                  Believe it or not, but my problem is solved. Thanks to all the expertise of you guys on here I finally get it going. There are still some issues regarding firewall rules but the VLAN part is working! Thanks to everybody who replied to this topic.

                                  For the other users who might have a HP 18010-24G and a Hyper-V virtualized pfSense I write down what the solution is in my case:

                                  1. On the pfsense box create a VLAN10 with ID 10. Assign the interface VLAN10 with the LAN (hn0) interface as parent interface.
                                  2. on the Hyper-V host run in a elevated powershell the folowing line: Get-VMNetworkAdapter -VMName "name of vm" | Where-Object -Property MacAddress -eq "mac address of the LAN interface" | Set-VMNetworkAdapterVlan -Trunk -NativeVlanId 1 -AllowedVlanIdList "10". If you have more interfaces connected to the pfSense box for example LAN and WAN, the mac address will modify the right interface. In this case the LAN interface.
                                  3. on the HP 1810-24G switch set the port that is connected to the LAN port of the pfSense box for both vlan's to Tagged! In this case VLAN1 and VLAN10 need to be marked as Tagged.
                                  4. All the device you want to have in VLAN10 the physical switch port of that device need to be set to Untagged on VLAN 10. VLAN1 should then become Excluded automatically on that port.
                                  5. Last but not least create a VLAN10 firewall rule. Tip. Copy the "Default allow LAN to any" and modify the rule from LAN to VLAN10 there were needed.
                                  6. Voila! In my case all was working now.

                                  In the above explanation I took VLAN10 and the networks 10.0.0.0/24 and 10.0.10.0/24 as example. Feel free to play around with other vlan's and subnets.

                                  Take also a look at the info other members provided. For me it was a big help and learning curve.

                                  Thanks again guys for all the help and patience.

                                  Cheers Herman

                                  Limburg | The Netherlands.
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                                  • johnpozJ
                                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                                    If your setting vlan 1 as native - that would be an untagged vlan..

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                                    • HermanH
                                      Herman @johnpoz
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                                      @johnpoz said in VLAN's not working with pfSense and HP1810-24G Switch.:

                                      If your setting vlan 1 as native - that would be an untagged vlan..

                                      Both vlans on port 1 set to (T)agged. This setup is working here.

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                                      • DerelictD
                                        Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
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                                        Tagged VLAN 1 😱

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                                        • HermanH
                                          Herman @Derelict
                                          last edited by Herman

                                          @derelict said in VLAN's not working with pfSense and HP1810-24G Switch.:

                                          Tagged VLAN 1 😱

                                          @Derelict, you are screaming... Please tell me why?

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                                          • johnpozJ
                                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                                            And again.. If vlan 1 is native and default which is almost always is.. Since its the default vlan it would be untagged.

                                            There is ZERO reason to tag vlan 1 as you have it designed. That its working is telling me the hyper-v setting is stripping it so pfsense sees it as untagged. Or it wouldn't work.

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