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    Best way to separate IOTs from main LAN?

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    • stephenw10S
      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
      last edited by

      Yes, that would be fine.

      pfSense will route between the subnets no problem. As long as you have rules on LAN allowing your PC to connect to your printer on a different subnet it will work fine. It just won't be able to auto-discover so you will have to give the printer a static DHCP lease, so it always has the same IP, and then set it up by IP in the client to print from.

      Steve

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      • bthovenB
        bthoven
        last edited by bthoven

        Thanks Steve. Will the same solution can be applied to my ios devices too?

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        • stephenw10S
          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
          last edited by

          Yes probably, though I've never tried to do that personally. Add a printer by IP in IOS that is.

          Steve

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          • bthovenB
            bthoven
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            • bthovenB
              bthoven
              last edited by bthoven

              I followed this guide to add another wifi access point to another ethernet port with different subnet.

              existing subnet: 192.168.2.x
              new subnet: 192.168.3.x

              https://netosec.com/protect-home-network/

              The problem is devices connected to this new subnet cannot connect to internet. The gateway IP when connected is 192.168.3.1.

              The devices from existing subnet can access the devices in the new subnet, but not the other way round, as intended.

              I need another help. Thanks.

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              • stephenw10S
                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                last edited by

                When you add the new interface there will not be any firewall rules present which means everything will be dropped inbound.

                It looks like that guide covers adding firewall rules but you will need to have added a pass rule at a minimum to allow devices to connect out.

                Can we see a screenshot of your rules on the new subnet?

                Steve

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                • bthovenB
                  bthoven
                  last edited by

                  Here they are:
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                  • johnpozJ
                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                    last edited by johnpoz

                    Also if your using a vpn client to send your traffic to a vpn, and followed most of the idiot guides out there and set your outbound nat to "manual" then pfsense would not have created the required outbound nat for your new network.

                    Your allow iot subnet rule is pointless.. Other than that would allow access to pfsense IP on that segment for dns.. But clients on this network don't talk to pfsense to talk to other devices on the network.

                    So the rule should really just allow access to the IOT address not the network.

                    Also using the bang allow, if your using a VIP, say for example the vip pfblocker creates.. That rule could have problems depending..

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                    • bthovenB
                      bthoven
                      last edited by bthoven

                      Thanks for your reply.

                      Sorry, I'm not quite sure what to amend. I do not have VPN client set up; only VPN Server for secured remote access.

                      Could you clarify more what I should set up. Even I copy the rule from LAN interface to my IOT interface, I got internet access status, but can't access any websites.

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                      • stephenw10S
                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                        last edited by

                        Is your Outbound NAT still set to the default 'automatic' in Firewall > NAT > Outbound?

                        Steve

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                        • bthovenB
                          bthoven
                          last edited by

                          here is the outbound
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                          • bthovenB
                            bthoven
                            last edited by bthoven

                            I'm not sure the DNS Resolver setting is relevant. Now in Network Interfaces, I can choose LAN and Local Host. When I tried to choose ALL ans save, pfsense seems to be quite busy and I have to wait a very long time before it came back, and the setting reverts to LAN and Local Host again. I tried selecting ALL 3 times, and got the same behavior.

                            Outgoing Network Interface: WAN only.

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                            • stephenw10S
                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                              last edited by

                              Ah, Ok you won't have internet without DNS. You need at least Localhost, LAN and IOT set there for it to listen on.

                              By default it runs on all though so that should work. Check the system and resolver logs are setting all for errors.

                              Steve

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                              • bthovenB
                                bthoven
                                last edited by bthoven

                                Thanks. I add IOT to Network Interface, press save, and it is now running.................same symptom as when I selected ALL........still waiting..............

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                                • bthovenB
                                  bthoven
                                  last edited by

                                  I waited for almost 10 mins and it came back without IOT selected in the Network Interface (DNS Resolver); and the Resolver stopped.

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                                  • johnpozJ
                                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                    last edited by

                                    You have to allow your clients to talk to dns if you want internet to work.. Be it the iot interface of pfsense, the lan interface... Or something external - but no internet is not going to work if you don't have dns. Unless you just going to IP address for everything ;)

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                                    • stephenw10S
                                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                      last edited by

                                      If unbound fails to apply that change there should be some error logged either in the system or resolver logs, or both.

                                      Do you have pfBlocker enabled with DNS-BL? If not that advanced option could be left over cruft.

                                      Steve

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                                      • bthovenB
                                        bthoven @bthoven
                                        last edited by bthoven

                                        @bthoven said in Best way to separate IOTs from main LAN?:

                                        Thanks. I add IOT to Network Interface, press save, and it is now running.................same symptom as when I selected ALL........still waiting..............

                                        Hi,
                                        I solved this problem by stopping the DNS Resolver first, then additionally chose IOT interface and save. Then it registered the new setting and the resolver restarted itself.

                                        Thanks Steve and John for your help.

                                        ps. Strange, now Snort blocked Netgate forum ip 208.123.73.199. I had to remove it from the block list. :)
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                                        • NogBadTheBadN
                                          NogBadTheBad
                                          last edited by

                                          Have you just installed Snort, if you have I'd advise not putting it into block mode and baseline what it doesn't like.

                                          FYI here are the rules I've disabled:-

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                                          Andy

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                                          • bthovenB
                                            bthoven
                                            last edited by bthoven

                                            I monitored Snort for a week before enabling block mode.

                                            Could you explain why you disabled those rules? One by one rule explanation would be great.

                                            Thanks

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