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    • hugoeyngH
      hugoeyng @KOM
      last edited by

      @KOM said in How to detect a cyber attack:

      Not enough info. Define 'strange'. And no, there is no magic "YOU'RE UNDER ATTACK!!" alert or anything. Do you have any port forwards that might be external targets?

      Strange: Memory Usage up to 80%
      Traffic Very slow
      Sometimes it seems DNS does not work
      When I reset States everything starts working again for some minutes

      Port forwards: yes.

      • Some ports are allowed WTS and are blocked by a rule to non known external IP
      • Some ports are allowed UltraVNC and are open to any external IP, but only when I am exceuting UltraVNC.

      I was not suposed to be a magic "YOU'RE UNDER ATTACK!!". I supose there is some "hint/tip" or evidence as log´s or something like that.

      I love pfSense!

      Hugo Eyng
      Datamais Sistemas

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      • KOMK
        KOM
        last edited by

        What does the traffic graph show while this effect is happening? Is your WAN being pounded with a ton of traffic aka a DoS attack?

        What packages are you running? Snort & Suricata can cause problems on your LAN if you aren't careful, for instance.

        On the dashboard, in the System Info widget, what do you have for State table size?

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        • hugoeyngH
          hugoeyng @KOM
          last edited by

          @KOM said in How to detect a cyber attack:

          What does the traffic graph show while this effect is happening? Is your WAN being pounded with a ton of traffic aka a DoS attack?
          What packages are you running? Snort & Suricata can cause problems on your LAN if you aren't careful, for instance.
          On the dashboard, in the System Info widget, what do you have for State table size?

          1. Traffic graph semms normal
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          I love pfSense!

          Hugo Eyng
          Datamais Sistemas

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          • KOMK
            KOM
            last edited by KOM

            Hmmm, nothing unusual there. Squid can easily suck up a ton of RAM, and your other problem might be related to your ISP and their network. If you look at Status - Monitoring, do you have any significant packet loss?

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            • hugoeyngH
              hugoeyng @KOM
              last edited by

              @KOM I was not monitoring.
              Now I will use e9ef337f-e32a-4256-a36a-4eb90f120d23-image.png

              And I will wait to see what happens.

              I love pfSense!

              Hugo Eyng
              Datamais Sistemas

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                tim.mcmanus @hugoeyng
                last edited by

                @hugoeyng said in How to detect a cyber attack:

                @KOM I was not monitoring.
                Now I will use e9ef337f-e32a-4256-a36a-4eb90f120d23-image.png

                And I will wait to see what happens.

                You may want to use something other than 8.8.8.8. You will get false positives using Google's DNS servers. They will drop your traffic.

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                  akuma1x
                  last edited by

                  I believe it's recommended to use the gateway provided by your ISP as the monitor IP, since it's the first router/hop before your traffic hits the actual internet. If that's down, it truly means your connection is DOWN.

                  Jeff

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                  • DerelictD
                    Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                    last edited by

                    It depends. Sometimes you want to know that the WAN can actually reach the internet, not just the ISP gateway.

                    Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
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                    • hugoeyngH
                      hugoeyng @Derelict
                      last edited by

                      @Derelict Instead Google DNS or ISP DNS what IP could I use to monitor? Any suggestion?

                      I love pfSense!

                      Hugo Eyng
                      Datamais Sistemas

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                      • KOMK
                        KOM
                        last edited by

                        Perhaps one of your ISPs core routers. Do a traceroute somewhere and see what the second or third hop is.

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                        • stephenw10S
                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                          last edited by

                          I've never seen an issue using 8.8.8.8 personally.

                          The fact that you have some SWAP usage shown in that screenshot shows that at some point you exhausted the RAM. That can make things go waaaay slower.
                          Check the Status > Monitoring graphs for memory usage. Does it peak when you see these incidents?

                          Steve

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                          • RicoR
                            Rico LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance @stephenw10
                            last edited by

                            @stephenw10 said in How to detect a cyber attack:

                            I've never seen an issue using 8.8.8.8 personally.

                            Yeah I like to use 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4 and 1.1.1.1 for monitoring too.

                            -Rico

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                            • hugoeyngH
                              hugoeyng @KOM
                              last edited by

                              @KOM Great!

                              I love pfSense!

                              Hugo Eyng
                              Datamais Sistemas

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                              • hugoeyngH
                                hugoeyng @Rico
                                last edited by

                                @Rico I am not sure but is possible that "You will get false positives using Google's DNS servers." as said @tim-mcmanus.

                                But I liked @KOM suggestion.

                                I love pfSense!

                                Hugo Eyng
                                Datamais Sistemas

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                                • RicoR
                                  Rico LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance
                                  last edited by

                                  I never heard of Google deliberately dropping ICMP traffic to their DNS Servers and personally I never had any issues with it.

                                  WANGW.png
                                  WANGW is using 8.8.8.8 atm.

                                  -Rico

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                                  • RicoR
                                    Rico LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance
                                    last edited by

                                    Monitoring any ISP router does not really show a reliable route to the Internet.
                                    Your ISP could have any routing/peering issue, even if their (core) router is perfectly reachable from your side.

                                    -Rico

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                                    • KOMK
                                      KOM
                                      last edited by

                                      It shows you if there is a problem between you and your ISP. Anything past that is out of your control. The whole point of the thing is to be a gateway monitor, not a 5-hops-away monitor. The farther away you monitor, the more likely you will get a false positive of some sort, and I wouldn't want my gateway going down because there is a routing problem many hops away from me.

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                                      • Raffi_R
                                        Raffi_
                                        last edited by

                                        On the monitor IP topic, I agree with @Rico and @stephenw10. I have not had issue so far with google DNS. In fact I switched to Google DNS because I suddenly had issues with my ISP's (third hop router). After months of working fine, we had power failures in the area which I suspect also caused issues with that route on the ISP's network. My gateway was marked as down when it wasn't. Switched to 8.8.8.8 and it's been good since then. Is it a perfect solution? No. Will this happen to you? Probably not, but using a device IP on a specific route on the ISP's network to me seems like trouble. If that route goes down like in my case, the traffic will get rerouted and still reach where it needs to go on the web. But that can't happen if my gateway is marked as down and monitoring action is enabled. Ideally, I would like to be able to put in multiple monitor IPs, so if one is not responding another one could.

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                                        • stephenw10S
                                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                          last edited by

                                          I will say that whilst I've never seen an issue with it on numerous pfSense installs, including my own, Google respond to ping there more as a courtesy. They could just stop responding. Also when you ping 8.8.8.8 you are hitting a machine via anycast so the service may vary depending on where you are pinging from.

                                          Steve

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                                          • Raffi_R
                                            Raffi_ @stephenw10
                                            last edited by

                                            @stephenw10 said in How to detect a cyber attack:

                                            I will say that whilst I've never seen an issue with it on numerous pfSense installs, including my own, Google respond to ping there more as a courtesy. They could just stop responding. Also when you ping 8.8.8.8 you are hitting a machine via anycast so the service may vary depending on where you are pinging from.

                                            Steve

                                            Let's hope they don't pull the rug out from under us. I think a lot of gateways would be marked as down :)

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