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    • hugoeyngH
      hugoeyng @KOM
      last edited by

      @KOM said in How to detect a cyber attack:

      What does the traffic graph show while this effect is happening? Is your WAN being pounded with a ton of traffic aka a DoS attack?
      What packages are you running? Snort & Suricata can cause problems on your LAN if you aren't careful, for instance.
      On the dashboard, in the System Info widget, what do you have for State table size?

      1. Traffic graph semms normal
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      I love pfSense!

      Hugo Eyng
      Datamais Sistemas

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      • KOMK
        KOM
        last edited by KOM

        Hmmm, nothing unusual there. Squid can easily suck up a ton of RAM, and your other problem might be related to your ISP and their network. If you look at Status - Monitoring, do you have any significant packet loss?

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        • hugoeyngH
          hugoeyng @KOM
          last edited by

          @KOM I was not monitoring.
          Now I will use e9ef337f-e32a-4256-a36a-4eb90f120d23-image.png

          And I will wait to see what happens.

          I love pfSense!

          Hugo Eyng
          Datamais Sistemas

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            tim.mcmanus @hugoeyng
            last edited by

            @hugoeyng said in How to detect a cyber attack:

            @KOM I was not monitoring.
            Now I will use e9ef337f-e32a-4256-a36a-4eb90f120d23-image.png

            And I will wait to see what happens.

            You may want to use something other than 8.8.8.8. You will get false positives using Google's DNS servers. They will drop your traffic.

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              akuma1x
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              I believe it's recommended to use the gateway provided by your ISP as the monitor IP, since it's the first router/hop before your traffic hits the actual internet. If that's down, it truly means your connection is DOWN.

              Jeff

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              • DerelictD
                Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                last edited by

                It depends. Sometimes you want to know that the WAN can actually reach the internet, not just the ISP gateway.

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                • hugoeyngH
                  hugoeyng @Derelict
                  last edited by

                  @Derelict Instead Google DNS or ISP DNS what IP could I use to monitor? Any suggestion?

                  I love pfSense!

                  Hugo Eyng
                  Datamais Sistemas

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                  • KOMK
                    KOM
                    last edited by

                    Perhaps one of your ISPs core routers. Do a traceroute somewhere and see what the second or third hop is.

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                    • stephenw10S
                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                      last edited by

                      I've never seen an issue using 8.8.8.8 personally.

                      The fact that you have some SWAP usage shown in that screenshot shows that at some point you exhausted the RAM. That can make things go waaaay slower.
                      Check the Status > Monitoring graphs for memory usage. Does it peak when you see these incidents?

                      Steve

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                      • RicoR
                        Rico LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance @stephenw10
                        last edited by

                        @stephenw10 said in How to detect a cyber attack:

                        I've never seen an issue using 8.8.8.8 personally.

                        Yeah I like to use 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4 and 1.1.1.1 for monitoring too.

                        -Rico

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                        • hugoeyngH
                          hugoeyng @KOM
                          last edited by

                          @KOM Great!

                          I love pfSense!

                          Hugo Eyng
                          Datamais Sistemas

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                          • hugoeyngH
                            hugoeyng @Rico
                            last edited by

                            @Rico I am not sure but is possible that "You will get false positives using Google's DNS servers." as said @tim-mcmanus.

                            But I liked @KOM suggestion.

                            I love pfSense!

                            Hugo Eyng
                            Datamais Sistemas

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                            • RicoR
                              Rico LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance
                              last edited by

                              I never heard of Google deliberately dropping ICMP traffic to their DNS Servers and personally I never had any issues with it.

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                              WANGW is using 8.8.8.8 atm.

                              -Rico

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                              • RicoR
                                Rico LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance
                                last edited by

                                Monitoring any ISP router does not really show a reliable route to the Internet.
                                Your ISP could have any routing/peering issue, even if their (core) router is perfectly reachable from your side.

                                -Rico

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                                • KOMK
                                  KOM
                                  last edited by

                                  It shows you if there is a problem between you and your ISP. Anything past that is out of your control. The whole point of the thing is to be a gateway monitor, not a 5-hops-away monitor. The farther away you monitor, the more likely you will get a false positive of some sort, and I wouldn't want my gateway going down because there is a routing problem many hops away from me.

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                                  • Raffi_R
                                    Raffi_
                                    last edited by

                                    On the monitor IP topic, I agree with @Rico and @stephenw10. I have not had issue so far with google DNS. In fact I switched to Google DNS because I suddenly had issues with my ISP's (third hop router). After months of working fine, we had power failures in the area which I suspect also caused issues with that route on the ISP's network. My gateway was marked as down when it wasn't. Switched to 8.8.8.8 and it's been good since then. Is it a perfect solution? No. Will this happen to you? Probably not, but using a device IP on a specific route on the ISP's network to me seems like trouble. If that route goes down like in my case, the traffic will get rerouted and still reach where it needs to go on the web. But that can't happen if my gateway is marked as down and monitoring action is enabled. Ideally, I would like to be able to put in multiple monitor IPs, so if one is not responding another one could.

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                                    • stephenw10S
                                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                      last edited by

                                      I will say that whilst I've never seen an issue with it on numerous pfSense installs, including my own, Google respond to ping there more as a courtesy. They could just stop responding. Also when you ping 8.8.8.8 you are hitting a machine via anycast so the service may vary depending on where you are pinging from.

                                      Steve

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                                      • Raffi_R
                                        Raffi_ @stephenw10
                                        last edited by

                                        @stephenw10 said in How to detect a cyber attack:

                                        I will say that whilst I've never seen an issue with it on numerous pfSense installs, including my own, Google respond to ping there more as a courtesy. They could just stop responding. Also when you ping 8.8.8.8 you are hitting a machine via anycast so the service may vary depending on where you are pinging from.

                                        Steve

                                        Let's hope they don't pull the rug out from under us. I think a lot of gateways would be marked as down :)

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                                        • hugoeyngH
                                          hugoeyng @Raffi_
                                          last edited by

                                          @Raffi_ said in How to detect a cyber attack:

                                          Let's hope they don't pull the rug out from under us. I think a lot of gateways would be marked as down

                                          I hope so too!

                                          I tried monitoring White House and Pentagon IP´s but it did not succedd.

                                          Those IP´s, I believe, would be the last to be down. :)

                                          Thank you everybody.

                                          I love pfSense!

                                          Hugo Eyng
                                          Datamais Sistemas

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                                          • Raffi_R
                                            Raffi_ @hugoeyng
                                            last edited by

                                            @hugoeyng said in How to detect a cyber attack:

                                            @Raffi_ said in How to detect a cyber attack:

                                            Let's hope they don't pull the rug out from under us. I think a lot of gateways would be marked as down

                                            I hope so too!

                                            I tried monitoring White House and Pentagon IP´s but it did not succedd.

                                            Those IP´s, I believe, would be the last to be down. :)

                                            Thank you everybody.

                                            haha I hope you don't get a knock on the door from people in black suits.

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