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      VAMike @Veldkornet
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      @Veldkornet congratulations, you posted an irrelevant performance number for people trying to configure a router or firewall!

      offload can potentially help a client because the client can send a large chunk of data to the NIC at once and then allow the NIC to chop the data into packets and send. offload is useless on a firewall, which must inspect and process packets rather than large chunks of data.

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        VAMike @FLOK
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        @FLOK 92.8Mbps looks suspiciously like you have something negotiating a 100Mbps link. even the original APU could push data faster than that, let alone the APU2, and with no faffing about with configuration settings. you are wasting your time by trying to fine tune your way out of this; put everything back to the default and then find the actual problem.

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          kinch @DaddyGo
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          is it:

          hw.igb.rx_process_limit="-1"
          hw.igb.tx_process_limit="-1"

          or

          hw.igb.rx_process_limit=-1
          hw.igb.tx_process_limit=-1

          is "" needed?

          Sorry 🤦

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            saltandpepper @Veldkornet
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            @Veldkornet

            If you do the same setting as mentioned above, you get 1gbit

            The setting from this speedtest was behind my current router (double nat), and the 3 tweaks applied which were mentioned in the post from @dugeem
            tempsnip.png

            Sometimes my speedtests seems to lock to around 700mbit or 500mbit, but i start to belive that this is an issue of my unit.
            I also encountert a new behaviour. If I restart my APU2E4, im not able to access anything until i pull the cable from my wan port. Once the webinterface loaded, I can reconnect the wan and it works.
            The same happens when i change the settings for TSO or LRO. Once i hit save, the system doesnt react to anything. Once i pull the plug out of wan, the webinterface loads in one or two seconds.
            I start to belive that my hardware has an issue, I dont find any other explonation.

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              kinch @DaddyGo
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              @DaddyGo

              I've examined it and found the following:

              iperf3 LAB
              No matter if APU2/3/4 I get a throughput with single connection of 750-850Mbit/s (LAN 2 OPT)

              With 2 or more connections I get about 945Mbit/s.

              A Speedtest.net gives the value 934Mbit/s UP/DOWN

              I have tested the following BIOS versions:
              V4.9.0.2
              V4.11.0.2
              V4.12.0.1

              All the same.

              But what I noticed, tested on APU2 and APU3, that pfsense version 2.4.5 does not reach the same throughput as 2.4.4-p3.
              With Single Connection pfsense 2.4.5 reaches "only" about 400-500Mbit/s. With pfsense 2.4.5 I can only reach 940Mbps with 8 connections.

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                FLOK @VAMike
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                @VAMike
                Your message encouraged me to do research...
                And you were so damn right.
                My computer's stuck on the switch of an IP phone.
                It throttles traffic to 100Mbits.

                I am so sorry to have wasted your time :-(

                2020-06-05 08_43_49-Ihr Speedtest für Glasfaser + DSL Internet – Deutsche Glasfaser.png

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                  Veldkornet @kinch
                  last edited by

                  @kinch said in PC Engines apu2 experiences:

                  @DaddyGo

                  I've examined it and found the following:

                  iperf3 LAB
                  No matter if APU2/3/4 I get a throughput with single connection of 750-850Mbit/s (LAN 2 OPT)

                  With 2 or more connections I get about 945Mbit/s.

                  A Speedtest.net gives the value 934Mbit/s UP/DOWN

                  I have tested the following BIOS versions:
                  V4.9.0.2
                  V4.11.0.2
                  V4.12.0.1

                  All the same.

                  But what I noticed, tested on APU2 and APU3, that pfsense version 2.4.5 does not reach the same throughput as 2.4.4-p3.
                  With Single Connection pfsense 2.4.5 reaches "only" about 400-500Mbit/s. With pfsense 2.4.5 I can only reach 940Mbps with 8 connections.

                  I also noted something weird with 2.4.5.

                  My iPerf speeds were also much lower than normal. What I did to fix it was:

                  • disabling hardware offload (check the check boxes)
                  • save, no reboot (iPerf results the same)
                  • re-enabling hardware offload (clear the check boxes)
                  • save, no reboot (iPerf results back up to the expected levels)

                  The only thing I did between having good iPerf results and slow ones was reboot the device. It's as if after a reboot, it forgot that hardware offload was enabled, and I just needed to set it again.

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                    DaddyGo @Veldkornet
                    last edited by DaddyGo

                    @Veldkornet

                    • pity this to argue further.... (LRO / TSO / etc.)
                      the forum is full of why you need to disable "offloading"

                    if you use pfSense for routing, (*****not recommended!!! *****), but just think of IPS netmap
                    ******https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/config/advanced-setup.html#Networking

                    and @jimp https://forum.netgate.com/topic/42669/tso-and-lro-on-alix-boards

                    netmap it will not start properly unless they are disabled

                    all forum threads that belong here, it starts with this - disabling this features first -

                    Cats bury it so they can't see it!
                    (You know what I mean if you have a cat)

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                      DaddyGo @kinch
                      last edited by DaddyGo

                      @kinch

                      let's wait for this 2.4.5-p1 ☺
                      but indeed we also experienced some difference, but not significant

                      just a suggestion instead of speedtest_net, I prefer to use this nperf.com
                      it uses a much more serious algorithm to saturate, ergo the measurement more accurate

                      Cats bury it so they can't see it!
                      (You know what I mean if you have a cat)

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                        DaddyGo @Veldkornet
                        last edited by DaddyGo

                        @Veldkornet

                        "The only thing I did between having good iPerf results and slow ones was reboot the device. It's as if after a reboot, it forgot that hardware offload was enabled, and I just needed to set it again."

                        so, ☺

                        enabling / disabling these functions will in any case require a restart!
                        without it it makes no sense, thus, the test is not relevant either

                        if the function is still active after a restart, this must be disabled with this way

                        /boot/loader.conf.local

                        hw.bce.tso_enable=0 or 1
                        hw.bce.lro_enable=0 or 1 ......... etc.

                        edit: bce / igb / etc.

                        test method after reboot:

                        ifconfig igbX | grep CSUM

                        X= 1 ,2, 3, 4, or........

                        f4f2790c-3cd5-4045-b319-595bb24a721b-image.png

                        Cats bury it so they can't see it!
                        (You know what I mean if you have a cat)

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                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @FLOK
                          last edited by

                          @FLOK said in PC Engines apu2 experiences:

                          My computer's stuck on the switch of an IP phone.
                          It throttles traffic to 100Mbits.

                          Ha, I have done exactly that before. 😉

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                            FLOK @stephenw10
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                            @stephenw10
                            the joke is, that the pc still shows gigabit, although the performance is not reached ☹

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                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                              last edited by

                              Ooo ouch. Yeah I didn't have that excuse. 🙄

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                                logan5247
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                                Anyone running 2.4.5-p1 yet? Already on 2.4.5, so I don't think there would be much of a chance for something to go wrong...
                                https://www.netgate.com/blog/pfsense-2-4-5-release-p1-now-available.html

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                                  fireodo @logan5247
                                  last edited by

                                  @logan5247 said in PC Engines apu2 experiences:

                                  Anyone running 2.4.5-p1 yet? Already on 2.4.5, so I don't think there would be much of a chance for something to go wrong...
                                  https://www.netgate.com/blog/pfsense-2-4-5-release-p1-now-available.html

                                  Here running on 2.4.5_p1 - since yesterday and I cannot see any issue ...☺

                                  Kettop Mi4300YL CPU: i5-4300Y @ 1.60GHz RAM: 8GB Ethernet Ports: 4
                                  SSD: SanDisk pSSD-S2 16GB (ZFS) WiFi: WLE200NX
                                  pfsense 2.8.0 CE
                                  Packages: Apcupsd, Cron, Iftop, Iperf, LCDproc, Nmap, pfBlockerNG, RRD_Summary, Shellcmd, Snort, Speedtest, System_Patches.

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                                    daemonix
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                                    Do you run ntopng on apu2c4 without problems on 200-300mbit lines (20mbit ish upload)? (I run pfBlocker, openVPN client and an openVPN server... mo snort etc)

                                    Is this too heavy on the CPU?

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                                      Qinn @daemonix
                                      last edited by Qinn

                                      @daemonix I run Ntopng, no worries works good.

                                      Hardeware: Intel(R) Celeron(R) J4125 CPU @ 2.00GHz 102 GB mSATA SSD (ZFS)
                                      Firmware: Latest-stable-pfSense CE (amd64)
                                      Packages: pfBlockerNG devel-beta (beta tester) - Avahi - Notes - Ntopng - PIMD/udpbroadcastrelay - Service Watchdog - System Patches

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                                        fireodo @Qinn
                                        last edited by

                                        @Qinn said in PC Engines apu2 experiences:

                                        @daemonix I run Ntopng, no worries work good.

                                        Hmm, strange here - i uninstalled ntopng because every time I saved the settings I got a core dump (but ntopng has continued to work).

                                        Kettop Mi4300YL CPU: i5-4300Y @ 1.60GHz RAM: 8GB Ethernet Ports: 4
                                        SSD: SanDisk pSSD-S2 16GB (ZFS) WiFi: WLE200NX
                                        pfsense 2.8.0 CE
                                        Packages: Apcupsd, Cron, Iftop, Iperf, LCDproc, Nmap, pfBlockerNG, RRD_Summary, Shellcmd, Snort, Speedtest, System_Patches.

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                                          Qinn @fireodo
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                                          @fireodo In the past, Ntopng was slow, not to say very slow and I walked away from it, in the beginning of this year I tried it again and I was amazed how it progressed.

                                          Hardeware: Intel(R) Celeron(R) J4125 CPU @ 2.00GHz 102 GB mSATA SSD (ZFS)
                                          Firmware: Latest-stable-pfSense CE (amd64)
                                          Packages: pfBlockerNG devel-beta (beta tester) - Avahi - Notes - Ntopng - PIMD/udpbroadcastrelay - Service Watchdog - System Patches

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                                            fireodo @Qinn
                                            last edited by fireodo

                                            @Qinn said in PC Engines apu2 experiences:

                                            @fireodo In the past, Ntopng was slow, not to say very slow and I walked away from it, in the beginning of this year I tried it again and I was amazed how it progressed.

                                            I am speaking from the newest version (0.8.13_5) and its the "core dump" what make me uninstall it - not the speed.

                                            Kettop Mi4300YL CPU: i5-4300Y @ 1.60GHz RAM: 8GB Ethernet Ports: 4
                                            SSD: SanDisk pSSD-S2 16GB (ZFS) WiFi: WLE200NX
                                            pfsense 2.8.0 CE
                                            Packages: Apcupsd, Cron, Iftop, Iperf, LCDproc, Nmap, pfBlockerNG, RRD_Summary, Shellcmd, Snort, Speedtest, System_Patches.

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