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    • TheHowToT
      TheHowTo @stephenw10
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      @stephenw10 said in Netgate shared root with ISP? ¯\_(❞⦈)_/¯:

      So the logs you are seeing are like, for example?:

      Aug 16 12:14:22 	syslogd 		kernel boot file is /boot/kernel/kernel
      Aug 16 12:14:22 	kernel 		done.
      Aug 16 12:14:23 	php-fpm 	343 	/rc.start_packages: Restarting/Starting all packages.
      Aug 16 12:14:24 	login 		login on ttyv0 as root
      Aug 16 12:15:34 	check_reload_status 		rc.newwanip starting igb0
      Aug 16 12:15:35 	php-fpm 	343 	/rc.newwanip: rc.newwanip: Info: starting on igb0. 
      

      That is expected and not an indication some bad actor is connected to your firewall as that link shows.

      Steve

      Thanks Steve, but that is not what I see. Your log indicated services restarting because wan dhcp lease renewal process.
      Ok, let just say there are no bad actors.

      Would you please explain to me the Unexplained Phenomena, like why I see my floating firewall rules being changed, some were edited and some deleted (e.g. AmazonAWS IP Range) with log messages: "Syncing firewall, Reloading filter"?

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      • GertjanG
        Gertjan
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        When logging in to the GUI, you'll see this :
        9aa20756-cf17-4627-9539-3c63e9d67da5-image.png

        Logging in using a ssh client :

        3d0c4934-56ed-4634-8b89-6a8df534f7e9-image.png

        The IP's "192.168.1.120" and "2001:470:1f13:5c0:2::84" are both the ones from my LAN network.
        Let's say : it's an inside job. It's me using a device on my LAN.

        Btw : great : your ISP is helping you administrating your pfSense ?!!
        What are your WAN firewall rules ? Or did you install a KVM module for them so they can remotely using a keyboard / VGA ? ( @jimp : people often omit to mention the most incredible details about their installation ) They have a OpenVPN access for remote administration ?

        For me, it just an inside job. Or the (one of) the other you(s).

        No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
        Edit : and where are the logs ??

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        • johnpozJ
          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @TheHowTo
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          @TheHowTo said in Netgate shared root with ISP? ¯\_(❞⦈)_/¯:

          I see my floating firewall rules being changed, some were edited and some deleted

          And what does your config history show.. example

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          • jimpJ
            jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate @TheHowTo
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            @TheHowTo said in Netgate shared root with ISP? ¯\_(❞⦈)_/¯:

            Would you please explain to me the Unexplained Phenomena, like why I see my floating firewall rules being changed, some were edited and some deleted (e.g. AmazonAWS IP Range) with log messages: "Syncing firewall, Reloading filter"?

            Maybe you have something like pfBlockerNG which is automatically managing your rules? It does exactly those kinds of things.

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            • johnpozJ
              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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              I was thinking the same thing... While pfblocker is a great package, I am not a fan of anything that auto manipulates rules.. I use it really as just fancy aliases management - I have it create the aliases, and then I use those in my rules as I want.

              But I would have to assume any changes to rules would be listed in the configuration history, but since I don't have pfblocker manipulating my rules, not sure how that would look in the log?

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              • TheHowToT
                TheHowTo
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                What I know and experienced, pfBlockerNG only prioritizes their rules in floating rules order, but it never deleted any custom rules.

                If you do not believe me, try to install pfBlockerNG, make custom rules to block AmazonAWS (hackers virtual machines) and then do a cron update.
                Here is AmazonAWS’s IP range: AWS IP address ranges

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                • johnpozJ
                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                  And did you bother to look in your config history... Anything that changes the config should be listed there..

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                  • TheHowToT
                    TheHowTo @johnpoz
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                    @johnpoz said in Netgate shared root with ISP? ¯\_(❞⦈)_/¯:

                    And did you bother to look in your config history... Anything that changes the config should be listed there..

                    Config history says "Edited a firewall alias, made unkown change" However I did not login to SSH or GUI at that specific time.

                    It does not matter anymore because even after factory reset, everytime the hackers knew how to bypass the password protection.
                    I still give Netgate the benefit of doubt. Maybe there are some bugs or loopholes (e.g. superuser's backdoor) in PfSense version 2.4.5-p1.

                    I really wish that I can hardening PfSense with Firejail and Apparmor.

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                    • johnpozJ
                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                      last edited by johnpoz

                      @TheHowTo said in Netgate shared root with ISP? ¯\_(❞⦈)_/¯:

                      "Edited a firewall alias, made unkown change"

                      And what did it say did that that unknown change.. Post a screenshot of your config history showing these changes..

                      OMG - I've been hacker3d

                      beenhacked.png

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                      • TheHowToT
                        TheHowTo @johnpoz
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                        @johnpoz said in Netgate shared root with ISP? ¯\_(❞⦈)_/¯:

                        And what did it say did that that unknown change.. Post a screenshot of your config history showing these changes..

                        OMG - I've been hacker3d

                        beenhacked.png

                        Gotcha!

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                        • TheHowToT
                          TheHowTo @stephenw10
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                          @stephenw10 Would you please tell Dev to fix these loophole (superuser's backdoor) and bug (openvpn over tcp) on the next PfSense version.
                          Thank you.

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                          • johnpozJ
                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                            OMG dude - there is not a "superuser" backdoor.. And what bug in openvpn over tcp... It work it just fine. Where is the redmine link to this "bug"??

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                            • stephenw10S
                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                              If you think you have found a bug (you almost certainly haven't) then you should open a redmine ticket with the details and how to replicate.

                              You are going to have to present some evidence though. There is no reason you can't post screenshots of your config history or system log text with your public IPs removed. That gives away nothing that you should care about.
                              Otherwise it just looks like you're trolling. We will have to lock the thread.

                              Steve

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                              • AKEGECA
                                AKEGEC @johnpoz
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                                Hi all, I had similar problem with (2.4.5-p1) openvpn running over TCP specifically the client site. You need to edit your openvpn.inc file to fix this.

                                @johnpoz said in Netgate shared root with ISP? ¯\_(❞⦈)_/¯:

                                OMG dude - there is not a "superuser" backdoor.. And what bug in openvpn over tcp... It work it just fine. Where is the redmine link to this "bug"??

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                                • johnpozJ
                                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                  last edited by johnpoz

                                  @C3G3K4 said in Netgate shared root with ISP? ¯\_(❞⦈)_/¯:

                                  You need to edit your openvpn.inc file to fix this.

                                  And where is the link to this bug report? Or even the thread discussing this issue, or what exactly did you change.

                                  And lets be specific.. Stating there is a "bug" in openvpn tcp, as a client to to some vpn service? With site 2 site? I run tcp client to pfsense from my phone, from my pc at work over tcp and have not seen any "bugs" or issues at all.

                                  Saying there is a "bug" doesn't help anyone nor is going to get anything fixed if there is an actual issue.

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                                  • kiokomanK
                                    kiokoman LAYER 8
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                                    i don't intend to feed the troll, reported him for 3 post without any meaning, registered 27 minutes ago,I start collecting bets, 5$ .. he's a spammer

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                                    • AKEGECA
                                      AKEGEC
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                                      Hi all, I am just trying to help and contribute, but why do I get aggressive and hostile treatments?
                                      If you do not know how to edit an openvpn.inc file, then I suggest you have to wait for the next pfsense version. Don’t falsely accused someone, specially without established proof.

                                      Anyway, my family and I believe, good acts will have good consequences, bad acts will have bad ones. You'd think by now people would understand…
                                      that you reap what you sow.

                                      Happy Sunday Everyone.

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                                      • stephenw10S
                                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                        last edited by

                                        What did you have to change in the client side config file?

                                        How did the issue present before you made that change?

                                        I'm not aware of any OpenVPN TCP issue in 2.4.5p1, if you have found something you should open a redmine bug report: https://redmine.pfsense.org/

                                        Steve

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                                        • johnpozJ
                                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                          last edited by johnpoz

                                          Great you want to help, then actually provide that vs just saying "you" fixed something...

                                          Saying there is bug, and "you" fixed by editing openvpn.inc doesn't help or contribute anything.. Posting what was fixed, and how you fixed it would be information people could actually use.

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                                          • jimpJ
                                            jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
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                                            The OpenVPN TCP issue has already been fixed in the repo. You can install the System Patches package and then create an entry for e1c689eeb3a4439f3a66e8686b1fc32db536ac78 to apply the fix.

                                            There is no "superuser backdoor". You still have not shown any evidence that anything was changed by someone other than yourself, a package you installed, or as a consequence of a configuration change you made.

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