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Not getting properthroughput on gigabit devices. 200mbps when it should be at least 600mbps

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    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
    last edited by johnpoz Aug 31, 2020, 8:00 PM Aug 31, 2020, 7:59 PM

    Something that has not been EOL for 10 years already would be a good start ;)

    As to min you can get by with and do 600mbps - that would be a question for someone that deals with old stuff.. @stephenw10 would be my go to guy for such a question.. He plays with all kinds of hardware..

    If it was me, I would get a sg3100, or 5100 and be done with it.

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      Berzerk
      last edited by Aug 31, 2020, 8:11 PM

      You have no idea just how cheap I am.

      ...plus, I've got a warehouse of old stuff.

      It really baffles me that the network tech manufacturers got away with selling stuff as Xbps, and actually providing only 20% of what they say. I bought my first realtek gigabit cards in 2005. I know those are based on 'perfect' environments, but it crosses from 'reasonable' drops to ... well lies.
      Don't get me started on wireless speeds.

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        akuma1x @Berzerk
        last edited by akuma1x Aug 31, 2020, 8:23 PM Aug 31, 2020, 8:23 PM

        @Berzerk Realtek gigabit cards can hit theoretical gigabit speeds, but with FreeBSD they aren't fully supported.

        What kinds of "warehouse of old stuff" are we talking about here? You might have something better that can solve this problem you're having. I also find it kind of ironic that you're trying to route and hit today's high internet speeds with "old stuff" you've got sitting around...

        Jeff

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          Berzerk @johnpoz
          last edited by Aug 31, 2020, 8:26 PM

          @akuma1x @johnpoz I have another question, if you'll humor me.

          I have several realtek onboard ports, on about 30% of my network. A few D-Link brand, but are just Realtek. Some broadcom chips, but mostly intel. I'm able to transfer on the lan at about 920mbps between them. The CPUs vary from core 2 duos to I7s. Is it all in the FreeBSD drivers that the issue rests?

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            Berzerk @akuma1x
            last edited by Aug 31, 2020, 8:28 PM

            @akuma1x The Core 2 Duos are the oldest ones I have. (At least on the network. I have a few Athlons, and some x86 single cores, but I've put them out to pasture.)

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              akuma1x @Berzerk
              last edited by akuma1x Aug 31, 2020, 8:32 PM Aug 31, 2020, 8:31 PM

              @Berzerk Yes, that's the problem.

              There has been some work for a driver, see here:
              https://forum.netgate.com/topic/135850/official-realtek-driver-binary-1-95-for-2-4-4-release

              I apologize, I haven't been following it all too closely, and I don't use any of it since I don't have any Realtek-equipped machines.

              Jeff

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                Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                last edited by Aug 31, 2020, 8:34 PM

                Get something with two intel PCIe NICs, idk, a lower-power Core i3 maybe. Might as well get something that has AES-NI going. An Atom C2000 maybe. You'll get 600 down or it's not the firewall.

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                  Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate @Berzerk
                  last edited by Aug 31, 2020, 8:35 PM

                  @Berzerk said in Not getting properthroughput on gigabit devices. 200mbps when it should be at least 600mbps:

                  You have no idea just how cheap I am.

                  Good, Cheap, Fast. Pick two.

                  Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
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                  DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
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                    Berzerk
                    last edited by Aug 31, 2020, 8:38 PM

                    I choose cheap and fast? :)

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                      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                      last edited by Aug 31, 2020, 8:43 PM

                      It won't be good.

                      Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
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                      DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
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                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                        last edited by stephenw10 Aug 31, 2020, 8:47 PM Aug 31, 2020, 8:46 PM

                        You can try the alternate Realtek driver, nothing much to lose by doing so.

                        Yeah some of it is clearly in the FreeBSD default driver. There were also a lot of different models supported by that driver with different levels of crappyness!
                        Disable all the hardware off-loading, often broken for Realtek.

                        A device needs to have Gigabit NICs if it needs to pass more then 100Mbps. That doesn't mean it can pass 1Gbps. The same is true for 10GbE ports currently.

                        I would think you could well be hitting some limitation in the PCMCIA there if it's actually that and not cardbus or whatever was after that.

                        Actually passing 600Mbps of just firewall & NAT doesn't require much CPU power. As I said I could do it with a C2D E4500 quite easily. An old school Atom D525 will pass ~500Mbps.

                        Steve

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                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                          last edited by Aug 31, 2020, 8:53 PM

                          @stephenw10 said in Not getting properthroughput on gigabit devices. 200mbps when it should be at least 600mbps:

                          some limitation in the PCMCIA

                          I haven't even seen a laptop with pcmcia in over 10 years for sure.. Use to be for like a modem, or a 10/100 ethernet.. Use to have some G wifi cards, etc.. I find it highly highly unlikely that anything pcmcia could push anything close to gig.. That your seeing even 200 surprises me.

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                            Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                            last edited by Aug 31, 2020, 8:58 PM

                            I threw away a PCMCIA bluetooth adapter yesterday.

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                              Berzerk
                              last edited by Aug 31, 2020, 8:58 PM

                              @Derelict I've got a core 2 quad with an onboard intel, and I'm ordering an intel pcie now. 6gb ram as well. Should work.

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                                JKnott @stephenw10
                                last edited by Aug 31, 2020, 9:00 PM

                                @stephenw10

                                All this talk about interfaces and brands has me wondering about my system.

                                Here's what I have
                                LAN bge0 (Broadcom?)
                                WAN re0 (Realtek?)
                                Test em0 (Intel?)

                                Perhaps I should swap WAN and Test. LAN is the mom board interface, which I'd rather have connected to the LAN.

                                PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                UniFi AC-Lite access point

                                I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Derelict
                                  last edited by Aug 31, 2020, 9:01 PM

                                  @Derelict said in Not getting properthroughput on gigabit devices. 200mbps when it should be at least 600mbps:

                                  I threw away a PCMCIA bluetooth adapter yesterday.

                                  Look what I just found on one of my shelves - yeah this is going in the trash ;)

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                                    Berzerk @johnpoz
                                    last edited by Aug 31, 2020, 9:03 PM

                                    @johnpoz
                                    You guys would have a meltdown if you saw the Hardware I had lying around.

                                    I had a 1/2speed cdrom that you loaded with a caddy for the longest time.

                                    There was a 10MB 50lb MFM HD around here somewhere . . . I could open a museum.

                                    Be thankful I set core 2 duos as the oldest I would let on the network.

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                                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                      last edited by Aug 31, 2020, 9:03 PM

                                      @Derelict So you drove/shipped that all the way to TN, just to throw it away - hehehhe

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                                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @JKnott
                                        last edited by Aug 31, 2020, 9:04 PM

                                        @JKnott said in Not getting properthroughput on gigabit devices. 200mbps when it should be at least 600mbps:

                                        Perhaps I should swap WAN and Test.

                                        Yup, I would.

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                                          JKnott @johnpoz
                                          last edited by Aug 31, 2020, 9:04 PM

                                          @johnpoz said in Not getting properthroughput on gigabit devices. 200mbps when it should be at least 600mbps:

                                          Look what I just found on one of my shelves - yeah this is going in the trash ;)

                                          I could have used that years ago, with my first ThinkPad. It came with 802.11b only WiFi, which I replaced with one capable of g. However, in the swap, I lost my dial up modem. 😦

                                          My current ThinkPad has n on 2.4 GHz only, though it's apparently possible to replace that with a dual band card.

                                          I also have a 10 Mb hub here. 😉

                                          PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                          i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                          UniFi AC-Lite access point

                                          I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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