be honest are you worried about corona
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@provels said in be honest are you worried about corona:
I suppose you could explain the elderly death count as "If a 70 year-old with high blood pressure slams his car into a tree, it wasn't really the tree that killed him".
US - 4% of the world population.
But 20% of the deaths.
We should have done better.People list Sweden as an example. But their universal access to healthcare tilts the odds in their favor. Perhaps if the US citizen had that, we would have done better. At any rate, I'm glad I am retired and don't have to deal with this crap day to day, or worse, be unemployed and losing my house, car, and next meal.
You would have to do an autopsy to know... If the person had a heart attack and lost conciousness.... the princibal cause of death was really the heart attack. If he fainted because he was wearing a mask, then the mask killed him (I was speaking with a lady in Calgary Canada who was forced to wear a mask in Walmart to be able to buy necessities of life even though she had underlying health conditions. She fainted and hit her head and now has a serious brain injury.
US Health care is pretty FU due to corporate greed-pharma/hospitals. Unless you are a multi-millionare, you are one major accident/illness away from bankruptcy. Hospitals were getting $$ to put people on ventilators, so thats what they were doing. A lot of people died as a result. There also appears to be a $$ motivated suppression of effective treatments and nutrition. There are several European studies showing Vitamin D/Zinc kept people out of ICU and zero deaths.
I have a copy of a youtube video that has since been removed that was taken by a nurse in a US hospital. They were killing people. Maybe the hospitals have protection from liablility due to the pandemic, but I can tell you that if I was sitting a a jury and saw that video, I'd be happily awarding several million in damages.
We could have done better. That's the saddest thing. Think about it, we have a white house super spreader event. It's just appalling.
It will be interesting to see how that plays out - hopefully everyone will recover. My question is: What would we do if it was a bad flu? Flu does kill a lot of people--but there is no financial incentive to write it on the death certificate, so the elderly with underlying conditions get labeled as dying of the underlying condition.
@mcury said in be honest are you worried about corona:
Here in Brazil, there is an odd statistic, we got less 30k deaths by pneumonia than last year, this never happened before.. This is happening to other diseases as well.
I suppose this may be happening all around the world, still, the virus is here, and we cannot run away.Likely any infectious disease is down if people are staying away from people and being very careful with hygene.
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@guardian Nope, staying home would decrease car crashes, not pneumonia and heart attacks..
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@mcury said in be honest are you worried about corona:
@guardian Nope, staying home would decrease car crashes, not pneumonia and heart attacks..
Why not pneumonia (at least short term)? Isolation may result in a weakend immune system.... don't really know. If so once people mix again there will be a big spike in all sorts of things (which may be incorrectly labeld as COVID).
AFAIK pneumonia can be either a primary or secondary infection. If people are isolated they won't get the primary infection, so there won't be a secondary infection. If I'm missing something, please share... thanks.
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@guardian I'm not a doctor, so I won't be able to provide you details.
However, I suffer from asthma and bronchitis, and sometimes it evolves to pneumonia, this usually happens once a year, it was more common when I was younger, usually during the winter.
I can be extremely cautious, and still, I get sick.Washing hands didn't save 30k, staying home also didn't save people.
The suicide rate for an example, increased 400% in Brazil.
Look at Argentina for an example, and other countries that took the Stay home and lock down more seriously, they have more deaths per million than any other.What I can say is this, there are people that dies from covid, and people that dies with covid.
And they just don't care, they put everybody in covid's statistic.I hope that every family that lost a parent, or a friend, to be OK.
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@mcury said in be honest are you worried about corona:
Washing hands didn't save 30k, staying home also didn't save people.
Are numbers that important ? Our society makes us think they are, as we should all belong to a 'category', we have to be 'part' of something. Apparently, that makes us feel better.
Let's face it : our government is NOT the new church : the ones that know the truth, that have access to all the wisdom. They just try to align an entire society, hoping that as many people will feel good. with the situation (they are just as lost as we all are).
Because we are humans, we 're not always agreeing. Seeing things differently, having your own opinion is something that tells you that you are alive - and are free to think what you want.I'm pretty sure that washing your hands will protect you.
It's hard to prove with numbers, I agree, but the contrary is easy to prove : stop washing hands, and no, wait, stop washing anything. If you want to see death numbers, you'll have them, and they will be huge.
So, washing, and more specific : your hands, works. No master degree in mathematics needed here.edit : cleaning keyboards and mice also helps ;)
And about the how to get sick - and this goes for any decease that is transmitted, as your body does not invent viruses by itself : if you 'stay home', that is : STOP all contact with any person (go live in the forest all by yourself for a year or so) I'm more then sure that anything can happen. But Co-19 won't be on the list.
And you know why. So, isolating yourself helps.
A nice test is going on for some decades now : those who stay in ISS didn't have any Co-19 ;)The thing is : there are rules, laws, advises, etc. But we are humans, so we'll find our own exceptions for these restrictions all the time. So we 'break' them. because it's worth it for that occasion.
Let's face it : what's new today ? Was AIDS as a virus decease any different (not considering the way of transmission) ? All the hepatitis A B C ? The basic flu ? We just learned to live with them, accepted their existence.
And talk about AIDS : the virus(es) are all isolated, known, studied, analysed. Tens of billions have been thrown into studies. The guy who finds the 'final ' vaccines will be the richest man on the world - for ever. Still : no real cure. No vaccine. -
@Gertjan said in be honest are you worried about corona:
elf : if you 'stay home', that is : STOP all contact with any person (go live in the forest all by yourself for a year or so) I'm more then sure that anything can happen. But
Got you, I'll try not to speak about politics.. it's already difficult to speak about science and mathematics.
I hate to say but the statistic died, no body cares for it anymore, numbers are no longer numbers, diseases are now only covid, and work for what ? Money falls from the sky and we can stay home for ever..Wash your hands and stay home, stay safe, and you will see the numbers of people that are already dying without anything to eat
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@mcury said in be honest are you worried about corona:
Got you, I'll try not to speak about politics.
Exact ! I'm quiet convinced politician won't contribute much, except maybe applying massive aids for those who had no choice of staying home and loose revenue - and reviewing the universal minimum medical coverage ;) I understand that these two are or logical choices, and could be considered as 'political' decisions in some countries.
@mcury said in be honest are you worried about corona:
I hate to say but the statistic died,
These statistics, as Facebook, to name just one, was invented a couple of decades ago. Humanity was going just fine before, as soon as you accept that living on earth isn't what one would find in heaven.
@mcury said in be honest are you worried about corona:
diseases are now only covid
Yep, this 1% to 3 % is now know as 'bigger' as the other 99% to 97 % (other death reasons). It's the media that tries to learn you to do the new math ;) Don't fall into that pitfall !
@mcury said in be honest are you worried about corona:
Money falls from the sky
Check you bank account, and the one of the company (family, whatever) you work for : we all pay taxes
If our (a) government wasn't doing so, they would have to deal with a civil national war, as a herd of hungry people will makes a lot of fuss real quickly. That's bad for internal and external economy.@mcury said in be honest are you worried about corona:
Wash your hands and stay home,
My work already mentioned 'washing hands' in my work contract, drafted in 1990. For other - but related - reasons.
I wasn't 'informed' to stay at home, as my work only stop if the society stops.@mcury said in be honest are you worried about corona:
... to eat
That's why I think that all humanity should try to make 'this place' a better place. Using positive efforts. As soon as you notice you have the possibility to do some good for your surrounding, do so.
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@Gertjan Well, there is nothing I can say to you..
I can speak about me, and I won't change my behavior, I won't accept the "new normal", and I will work not only because I need to, it's because I don't rely any hope in anyone, state or whatever.
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@guardian said in be honest are you worried about corona:
“Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.”
I think everyone thinks hard, but it smells politically strongly... = COVID regulation by country
my question is where was the COVID until september 1???????????
(did he / she vacation all summer?)he / she certainly didn’t fry his belly in the sun, because I was in the room - ......and I watched the beach from the window
so who they want to mislead....????
otherwise the whole world is irresponsible when it comes to who and how to spend their free time...
where is the social distance keeping.... during the summer??? hmmmm
just watch the china values!https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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@DaddyGo said in be honest are you worried about corona:
my question is where was COVID until september 1???????????
(did he / she vacation all summer?)Possibly. Graph from 1918 flu pandemic (US).
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@provels said in be honest are you worried about corona:
Possibly. Graph from 1918 flu pandemic (US).
Jeah, jeah, they really just screened a series called "virus" on NAT GEO, I think 4 - 5 parts, I'm really in the picture...
you should also know that there was still cohesion among the peoples of the world at that time
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@provels I too am retired, so am not required to go out every day. Because of my age I and my wife are at risk of complications of COVID-19. Even if I/we survived infection the lasting effects could basically render the rest of our lives a waste due to heart and lung damage.
I am taking this very seriously by making even limited social contact with almost no one outside my house.
I live in a US state (VT) that is doing an extremely good job at controlling the virus. Our governor and commissioner of health along with other state officials rely on data and science and to a lesser extent economics to make decisions about how to proceed. We have opened up much of our economy including schools and colleges with little change in virus levels. However, states surrounding us all have higher rates of infection so we are watching this closely.
Stay healthy everyone...
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I am also very worried.. But i just hope that its get better some day...
In Germany there is a second wave incoming... hopefully it gets under control soon enough.
Stay save everybody
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Second (third?) wave well underway here in USA. 120,000 cases per day, a million cases in TX. Reefer trucks being used as morgues in El Paso, TX.
"Just noticed my original bookmark for www.worldometers.info worldwide data...
"Coronavirus Update (Live): 73,438 Cases and 1,875 Deaths from COVID-19 Wuhan China Virus Outbreak - Worldometer"
Worldwide. How quaint. And here were told it would go away after November 3rd.
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@provels You just can't make this stuff up. The claims would almost be funny, in a willfully stupid kind of way, if it didn't represent dead people. Pence, chairman of the virus task force, was going to go on vacation. He canceled it. Not to attend to the virus but to attend to the farce election fraud claims. Still not laughing...
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Alec Baldwin is refusing to leave Saturday Night Live. Now laughing.
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@jwj
You made me laugh and woke my dog! -
And we're back to the serious side.
The Sweden Poster Child for "What? Me worry?"
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avoid gathering, it's not too scary
