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    • cmcdonaldC
      cmcdonald Netgate Developer @dirtyfreebooter
      last edited by cmcdonald

      @dirtyfreebooter If I understand the GUI correctly, then the value entered into the MSS field on the interface settings really should be the MTU value, and 40 bytes are substracted from the value in the MSS field to account for the TCP/IP header. So if you enter 1420 for both MTU and MSS, an MSS clamp of 1420-40=1380 will be applied. This doesn't appear to happen OOTB, even though it probably should for most cases (especially if your other interfaces are at 1500). Entering 1420 in the MSS field on both ends of my routed WG link fixed all my issues with random TCP connections failing, random TLS failures, etc.

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      • demD
        dem @cmcdonald
        last edited by

        @vbman213 said in WireGuard in pfSense 2.5 Performance:

        If I understand the GUI correctly, then the value entered into the MSS field on the interface settings really should be the MTU value...

        It sure sounds that way. What value do you see in /tmp/rules.debug?

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        • demD
          dem @dem
          last edited by

          Never mind, I checked myself and putting 1420 in the MSS field in the GUI results in max-mss 1380 in the rules.

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          • cmcdonaldC
            cmcdonald Netgate Developer @dem
            last edited by

            @dem I wonder if this is worth opening a redmine issue for. I can't see a reason why the max-mss shouldn't be set to to 1380 by default (1420-40) (...and rewording the GUI might be useful as well).

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              yon 0 @cmcdonald
              last edited by

              According to the report that I found the problem and submitted, wireguard has bugs in the linux kernel, I don't know if freebsd pfsense is involved. This is about mtu icmp and other issues

              [wireguard kernel bug(link url)

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              • cmcdonaldC
                cmcdonald Netgate Developer @yon 0
                last edited by

                @yon-0 So it does look like issues with path discovery, icmp, etc. That would make sense. I still think at least in the interim, that an MSS clamp should be enabled by default in pfSense until there is an upstream fix.

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                • cmcdonaldC
                  cmcdonald Netgate Developer @cmcdonald
                  last edited by cmcdonald

                  https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/11600

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                    yon 0 @cmcdonald
                    last edited by

                    @rcmcdonald91

                    They are still working on repairing...

                    commit ee576c47db60432c37e54b1e2b43a8ca6d3a8dca upstream.
                    
                    The icmp{,v6}_send functions make all sorts of use of skb->cb, casting
                    it with IPCB or IP6CB, assuming the skb to have come directly from the
                    inet layer. But when the packet comes from the ndo layer, especially
                    when forwarded, there's no telling what might be in skb->cb at that
                    point. As a result, the icmp sending code risks reading bogus memory
                    contents, which can result in nasty stack overflows such as this one
                    reported by a user:
                    
                        panic+0x108/0x2ea
                        __stack_chk_fail+0x14/0x20
                        __icmp_send+0x5bd/0x5c0
                        icmp_ndo_send+0x148/0x160
                    
                    In icmp_send, skb->cb is cast with IPCB and an ip_options struct is read
                    from it. The optlen parameter there is of particular note, as it can
                    induce writes beyond bounds. There are quite a few ways that can happen
                    in __ip_options_echo. For example:
                    
                        // sptr/skb are attacker-controlled skb bytes
                        sptr = skb_network_header(skb);
                        // dptr/dopt points to stack memory allocated by __icmp_send
                        dptr = dopt->__data;
                        // sopt is the corrupt skb->cb in question
                        if (sopt->rr) {
                            optlen  = sptr[sopt->rr+1]; // corrupt skb->cb + skb->data
                            soffset = sptr[sopt->rr+2]; // corrupt skb->cb + skb->data
                            // this now writes potentially attacker-controlled data, over
                            // flowing the stack:
                            memcpy(dptr, sptr+sopt->rr, optlen);
                        }
                    
                    In the icmpv6_send case, the story is similar, but not as dire, as only
                    IP6CB(skb)->iif and IP6CB(skb)->dsthao are used. The dsthao case is
                    worse than the iif case, but it is passed to ipv6_find_tlv, which does
                    a bit of bounds checking on the value.
                    
                    This is easy to simulate by doing a `memset(skb->cb, 0x41,
                    sizeof(skb->cb));` before calling icmp{,v6}_ndo_send, and it's only by
                    good fortune and the rarity of icmp sending from that context that we've
                    avoided reports like this until now. For example, in KASAN:
                    
                        BUG: KASAN: stack-out-of-bounds in __ip_options_echo+0xa0e/0x12b0
                        Write of size 38 at addr ffff888006f1f80e by task ping/89
                        CPU: 2 PID: 89 Comm: ping Not tainted 5.10.0-rc7-debug+ #5
                        Call Trace:
                         dump_stack+0x9a/0xcc
                         print_address_description.constprop.0+0x1a/0x160
                         __kasan_report.cold+0x20/0x38
                         kasan_report+0x32/0x40
                         check_memory_region+0x145/0x1a0
                         memcpy+0x39/0x60
                         __ip_options_echo+0xa0e/0x12b0
                         __icmp_send+0x744/0x1700
                    
                    Actually, out of the 4 drivers that do this, only gtp zeroed the cb for
                    the v4 case, while the rest did not. So this commit actually removes the
                    gtp-specific zeroing, while putting the code where it belongs in the
                    shared infrastructure of icmp{,v6}_ndo_send.
                    
                    This commit fixes the issue by passing an empty IPCB or IP6CB along to
                    the functions that actually do the work. For the icmp_send, this was
                    already trivial, thanks to __icmp_send providing the plumbing function.
                    For icmpv6_send, this required a tiny bit of refactoring to make it
                    behave like the v4 case, after which it was straight forward.
                    
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                      brians
                      last edited by

                      Here is real world performance using a custom pfSense 2.5 at home... it is an older HP EliteDesk 800 G1, quad core i5-4570, 12GB RAM, 40GB SSD. I added a second intel NIC for WAN.

                      My pfSense at home is on a Telus gigabit purefibre connection 1Gbps up/down. Remote site with WireGuard is an SG-5100 21.02 on Telus managed business fibre symmetrical 1Gbps up/down.

                      Here is screenshot during 70GB of files transferred over SMB from a local Windows 2016 Server to an OMV NAS on remote end, which took about 13 minutes.

                      ae23a945-28a3-454f-aae2-4f31c2b0c408-image.png

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                        xparanoik @brians
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                        @brians Thanks for sharing! Would you be mind running iperf3 tests and share those as well? That'd remove any bottlenecks from SMB protocol or your NAS disks. You seem to have a very good setup since both locations share the same ISP, so I am curious to see iperf3 tests. Thanks!

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                          brians @xparanoik
                          last edited by brians

                          @xparanoik
                          I waited until after work to do.
                          9307c7a5-0fe0-4ea1-917a-29ae376e4ed1-image.png
                          This is from a Windows 10 PC 192.168.10.140 at home connected to pfsense at work 192.168.21.1

                          In past testing sometimes I get a bit higher send from my house in the 900's but today didn't seem to.

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                            xparanoik @brians
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                            @brians Nice, thanks for sharing

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                              perlenbacher @xparanoik
                              last edited by perlenbacher

                              WireGuard performance should soon be much improved:

                              https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FreeBSD-New-WireGuard

                              link text

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                              • KOMK
                                KOM @perlenbacher
                                last edited by

                                Oof. Not exactly a shining endorsement. I feel bad for Netgate here. They paid for Wireguard in FreeBSD because nobody else gave a damn and then a month after release, the protocol creator shows up and redoes it all for free.

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                                • cmcdonaldC
                                  cmcdonald Netgate Developer @KOM
                                  last edited by

                                  @kom ugh... I’ll be anxiously biting my nails. The next 24-48 hrs are delicate for everyone involved.

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                                    dirtyfreebooter
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                                    https://lists.zx2c4.com/pipermail/wireguard/2021-March/006499.html

                                    JFC, this is not shaping up to be professional conversation and collaboration. Netgate/pfSense I am so disappointed... Argh...

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                                      brians
                                      last edited by brians

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                                        heper @KOM
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                                        @kom why feel bad for netgate?
                                        netgate decided to spend money on one of their products & got a working "thingy" as a result ... netgate's goal has been met

                                        a month later someone else claims they'll supply an even better "thingy" for free.
                                        this doesn't even matter to netgate because the decision to spend money on "thingy" is in the past. the money is gone

                                        what does matter:
                                        we get a shit-throwing competition on reddit / phoronix & a mailing list
                                        all this for FREE ... opensource entertainment at it's finest

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                                          xparanoik @heper
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                                          @heper It seems that Netgate should have coordinated with Jason D. and perhaps get his input on the patches they planned to submit, then this could have been avoided.

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                                          • KOMK
                                            KOM @xparanoik
                                            last edited by

                                            Netgate is being completely trashed in the comments of the Ars article. It seems that Netgate Scott's msg to Donenfeld isn't being received very well.

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