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      SteveITS Rebel Alliance @Waqar.UK
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      @waqar-uk said in To 2.5.1 or not ? that is the question :):

      want to know if my untouched firmware ver 2.4.5 can be used to the latest package 2.5.1

      You will need to format the drive before installing an old version so it does not matter what is installed now.

      Packages will need to be installed again, but be sure to set pfSense to "previous stable version" per my signature before installing packages. Attempting to install packages for 2.5 on 2.4.5 will likely break things.

      Only install packages for your version, or risk breaking it. Select your branch in System/Update/Update Settings.
      When upgrading, allow 10-15 minutes to reboot, or more depending on packages, and device or disk speed.
      Upvote 👍 helpful posts!

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        Qinn @miken58b
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        @miken58b If you format it ZFS you can take a snapshot and in split second you would have been back into the same state as the snapshot was created, on 2.4.5-p1

        Hardeware: Intel(R) Celeron(R) J4125 CPU @ 2.00GHz 102 GB mSATA SSD (ZFS)
        Firmware: Latest-stable-pfSense CE (amd64)
        Packages: pfBlockerNG devel-beta (beta tester) - Avahi - Notes - Ntopng - PIMD/udpbroadcastrelay - Service Watchdog - System Patches

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          Waqar.UK @SteveITS
          last edited by

          @steveits

          OK. Thanks. Shame really as I have firmware versions for 2.45 just saved after installing pfsense.

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          • bingo600B Offline
            bingo600
            last edited by

            Arrghhhh ..... 😧

            You guyzz just cost me 2 new Samsung EVO 870 - 256GB disks for my two home pfsense(s)

            I gotta try that ZFS snapshot feature.

            And if i have to install 2.5.1 soon , i can just do it from scratch w. ZFS 😊

            /Bingo

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            pfSense+ 23.05.1 (ZFS)

            QOTOM-Q355G4 Quad Lan.
            CPU  : Core i5 5250U, Ram : 8GB Kingston DDR3LV 1600
            LAN  : 4 x Intel 211, Disk  : 240G SAMSUNG MZ7L3240HCHQ SSD

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            • chudakC Offline
              chudak @bingo600
              last edited by

              @bingo600 said in To 2.5.1 or not ? that is the question :):

              Arrghhhh ..... 😧

              You guyzz just cost me 2 new Samsung EVO 870 - 256GB disks for my two home pfsense(s)

              I gotta try that ZFS snapshot feature.

              And if i have to install 2.5.1 soon , i can just do it from scratch w. ZFS 😊

              /Bingo

              So I guess the steps would be:

              fresh pfSense 2.x.x install
              make sure zfs selected
              restore pfSense back up

              and then what? how do you create and restore zfs snapshots of pfSense?

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              • bingo600B Offline
                bingo600 @chudak
                last edited by

                @chudak

                I hope like this

                https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?zfs

                https://danielisz.wordpress.com/2018/04/14/zfs-snapshot-on-freebsd/
                https://danielisz.wordpress.com/2018/04/20/zfs-snapshot-on-freebsd-part-2/

                https://www.maketecheasier.com/use-zfs-snapshots-clones/

                /Bingo

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                pfSense+ 23.05.1 (ZFS)

                QOTOM-Q355G4 Quad Lan.
                CPU  : Core i5 5250U, Ram : 8GB Kingston DDR3LV 1600
                LAN  : 4 x Intel 211, Disk  : 240G SAMSUNG MZ7L3240HCHQ SSD

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                  chudak @bingo600
                  last edited by

                  @bingo600 said in To 2.5.1 or not ? that is the question :):

                  @chudak

                  I hope like this

                  https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?zfs

                  https://danielisz.wordpress.com/2018/04/14/zfs-snapshot-on-freebsd/
                  https://danielisz.wordpress.com/2018/04/20/zfs-snapshot-on-freebsd-part-2/

                  https://www.maketecheasier.com/use-zfs-snapshots-clones/

                  /Bingo

                  Thanks for the info !

                  Side note: you know every time I need to do anything with zfs I read very long complex explanations. Given that I am clueless about zfs, of cause... But should it be an easy, something like: run "blah-blah back-up" and then "blah-blah restore" ?! ( mumbling aloud :) )

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                    bartkowski
                    last edited by

                    I upgraded my SG-2440 without any issues (I disabled pfBlockerNG before).
                    I initiated the upgrade from GUI and then went to the store, came back, and it was done. Smooth.

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                    • AstraeaA Offline
                      Astraea
                      last edited by

                      Well I tried the new 2.5.1 update and had to roll back again to 2.4.5-p1 as Open VPN clients to my VPN service would not connect and also my multi-WAN setup would not allow for the port forwards to work. I have read there are issues with both OpenVPN and with Multi-WAN setups since the release of 2.5

                      Trying to get onto 2.5 since its release but have to keep rolling back, my next move it to try a clean install at a later date but for now, I will have to stay on the older version

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                      • bingo600B Offline
                        bingo600 @chudak
                        last edited by

                        @chudak
                        The only thing that gave me an issue w. ZFS on 2.4.5 , was that it "barfed" during install. That no disk was selcted.
                        Easy solved , just select the disk in the menu , before clikking proceed.

                        /Bingo

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                        pfSense+ 23.05.1 (ZFS)

                        QOTOM-Q355G4 Quad Lan.
                        CPU  : Core i5 5250U, Ram : 8GB Kingston DDR3LV 1600
                        LAN  : 4 x Intel 211, Disk  : 240G SAMSUNG MZ7L3240HCHQ SSD

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                          chpalmer @bingo600
                          last edited by

                          I had to add one of my interfaces back to my LAGG used for my WAN.

                          I had to go to each openVPN server config page and simply hit "save" to get my VPN's back up. I did not have to do this to any of the remote sites on the other end of the VPN's

                          Otherwise up and working.

                          Triggering snowflakes one by one..
                          Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4590T CPU @ 2.00GHz on an M400 WG box.

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                            Qinn @chudak
                            last edited by Qinn

                            @chudak It's rather easy, first you create the snapshots. In the beginning snapshot are 0MB. They will grow with every change. Then upgrade to let's say 2.5.0 and after the upgrade they will have "kinda" the size of a complete pfSense installation, as everything has changed due to the upgrade and the snapshot "saves" all the changes. When you rollback (that's how a restore is called) all is back as to the moment the snapshots were created.

                            Hardeware: Intel(R) Celeron(R) J4125 CPU @ 2.00GHz 102 GB mSATA SSD (ZFS)
                            Firmware: Latest-stable-pfSense CE (amd64)
                            Packages: pfBlockerNG devel-beta (beta tester) - Avahi - Notes - Ntopng - PIMD/udpbroadcastrelay - Service Watchdog - System Patches

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                              chudak @Qinn
                              last edited by

                              @qinn said in To 2.5.1 or not ? that is the question :):

                              @chudak It's rather easy, first you create the snapshots. In the beginning snapshot are 0MB. They will grow with every change. Then upgrade to let's say 2.5.0 and after the upgrade they will have "kinda" the size of a complete pfSense installation, as everything has changed due to the upgrade and the snapshot "saves" all the changes. When you rollback (that's how a restore is called) all is back as to the moment the snapshots were created.

                              Sounds good !
                              I've started a small VM to test and installed 2.5.1 on zfs

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                              Do you know command lines how to test it ?

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                              • AKEGECA Offline
                                AKEGEC
                                last edited by

                                I just want to warn people about downgrade to previous pfsense versions with current configuration settings, After you downgrade and restored using current backup configuration, make sure you check every settings. Some security Encryption settings could be changed to lowest security e.g. 512 bits to 256 or 128 bits.

                                I feel really sorry for users that experienced problems. 😢 😢 😢

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                                  bingo600 @AKEGEC
                                  last edited by

                                  @akegec said in To 2.5.1 or not ? that is the question :):

                                  I just want to warn people about downgrade to previous pfsense versions with current configuration settings, After you downgrade and restored using current backup configuration, make sure you check every settings. Some security Encryption settings could be changed to lowest security e.g. 512 bits to 256 or 128 bits.

                                  I feel really sorry for users that experienced problems. 😢 😢 😢

                                  Nice "warning"

                                  To me it seems like you are referring to OpenVPN encryptopn settings or ???

                                  And i suppose you are talking about restoring a config made on a 2.5.x system , onto a "clean" 2.4.5 ??

                                  That post needs further explanation , please elaborate a bit.

                                  /Bingo

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                                  pfSense+ 23.05.1 (ZFS)

                                  QOTOM-Q355G4 Quad Lan.
                                  CPU  : Core i5 5250U, Ram : 8GB Kingston DDR3LV 1600
                                  LAN  : 4 x Intel 211, Disk  : 240G SAMSUNG MZ7L3240HCHQ SSD

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                                  • QinnQ Offline
                                    Qinn @chudak
                                    last edited by

                                    @chudak Good idea use a VM and take a look at

                                    https://forum.netgate.com/topic/95148/pc-engines-apu2-experiences/577

                                    Hardeware: Intel(R) Celeron(R) J4125 CPU @ 2.00GHz 102 GB mSATA SSD (ZFS)
                                    Firmware: Latest-stable-pfSense CE (amd64)
                                    Packages: pfBlockerNG devel-beta (beta tester) - Avahi - Notes - Ntopng - PIMD/udpbroadcastrelay - Service Watchdog - System Patches

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                                      chudak @Qinn
                                      last edited by

                                      @qinn said in To 2.5.1 or not ? that is the question :):

                                      @chudak Good idea use a VM and take a look at

                                      https://forum.netgate.com/topic/95148/pc-engines-apu2-experiences/577

                                      Very useful, thx !

                                      I tried a dry-run, commands worked, but it was not real as my VM is not fully setup as a router. But in general it seem like a worthwhile exercise to consider switch to zfs.

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                                        Docop2 @chudak
                                        last edited by

                                        On my side, as soon you try to do an install with a different ip or a different sub. it result into a 404 Not found -nginx error page. if leave and touch nothing and just put the psw.. look ok, but even after try to change the ip and it fail. Doing the exact same process as 2.4.5 or 2.5. So .. no 2.5 is the last working version.

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                                          TAC57 @Yanik
                                          last edited by

                                          @yanik Did you get your port forwarding working in 2.5.1?

                                          I'm having the same issues on port forwarding to my Synology box and Plex Server (FreeNAS box). :-(

                                          To roll back from pfSense 2.5.1 to 2.5.0 can I just restore my 2.5.0 backup config file, or would I have to do a clean install of pfSense 2.5.0 first and then restore the 2.5.0 backup?

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                                          • bingo600B Offline
                                            bingo600 @TAC57
                                            last edited by

                                            @tac57
                                            A roolback would always include a reinstall (format) , unless you are using ZFS w. snapshot.

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                                            pfSense+ 23.05.1 (ZFS)

                                            QOTOM-Q355G4 Quad Lan.
                                            CPU  : Core i5 5250U, Ram : 8GB Kingston DDR3LV 1600
                                            LAN  : 4 x Intel 211, Disk  : 240G SAMSUNG MZ7L3240HCHQ SSD

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