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      zanthos @caKuma
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      @cakuma Just to let you know, If you're using my unlocked BIOS, there won't be any output on the VGA port, it is disabled in the BIOS. Also, VGA output depends on the CPU if it has an integrated IGP or not.
      You would need to change the BIOS settings to enable VGA output which seems to be impossible without a working serial console.

      My first advice: get another serial adapter. It might be broken. I had that several times. Those cheap china adapters cannot handle currents that may be high on serial ports and get damaged quickly.
      Also, according to your picture, it seems your adapter is RJ45 (CISCO console style) to USB. Make sure, the cable REALLY is CISCO style and has proper pinout.

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        caKuma
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        Yea you guys were right the console is actually outputting now with the memstick-serial image.
        Just wanted to flash the unlocked bios so I can use the spare CPU i have. There should be a way to flash from within pfsense/freebsd right?

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          caKuma @stephenw10
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          • stephenw10S
            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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            Well the first thing I would try is installing UFS using the default values.

            The memstick serial image will boot legacy or UEFI. If it booted UEFI it would have installed as that unless you specifically selected not to and it may not boot that by default.
            It's been a while since I poked around in that though. ๐Ÿ˜‰

            Edit: Ah you edited! It's booting?

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              caKuma @stephenw10
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              I feel like an idiot, im just kinda tired trying to figure things out and i missed the message where you told to install ZFS with GPT(BIOS + UEFI). Thank you so much for helping me. Right now imma see if i can get freedos working and flash the bios.

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              • stephenw10S
                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                Nice! ๐Ÿ‘

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                  caKuma
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                  ^I used the freedosbios2 on here, opened the image and extracted the m400 bios and afudos to the image then flashed to the CF. FreeDos boots now. Time to see if it flash.
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                  Edit: I deleted the bios for other watchguard boxes that came with freedosbios2 image and added the m400.rom/afudos, it worked this time.

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                    caKuma
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                    All good! Can't thank you all enough.

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                    • stephenw10S
                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                      Nice. Does it reboot correctly with that CPU? Some do not and there seem to be no clear pattern.

                      Did you enable powerd/speedstep? That 'T' CPU probably has a bunch of frequency levels.

                      Steve

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                        caKuma @stephenw10
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                        @stephenw10 I dont think it reboots properly, it halts the system and just get stuck and i have to press the power button to fully shut it off then power on again. I did enable speedstep but i feel like i should just keep it stock for the low tdp.

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                        • stephenw10S
                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @caKuma
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                          @cakuma said in Watchguard Firebox M400/M500:

                          @stephenw10 I dont think it reboots properly, it halts the system and just get stuck

                          Bah. Yeah that's what the others do. Wish I knew why....

                          Without speedstep enabled in the BIOS and powerd in pfSense the CPU runs at full speed all the time. Though with the available C states it has the actual power/heat savings available are minimal.

                          Steve

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                            caKuma @stephenw10
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                            @stephenw10 O Thanks for the info, will definitely check bios to see.

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                            • stephenw10S
                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                              If that was my BIOS you wrote onto there I'm pretty sure I enabled it by default since it was not unlocked. Only the defaults were changes.
                              You can see the est lines in the boot messages if it's not enabled:

                              est0: <Enhanced SpeedStep Frequency Control> on cpu0
                              est: CPU supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized.
                              est: cpu_vendor GenuineIntel, msr 1fb100001b00
                              device_attach: est0 attach returned 6
                              est: CPU supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized.
                              est: cpu_vendor GenuineIntel, msr 1fb100001b00
                              device_attach: est1 attach returned 6
                              

                              That's the standard G1820 in the M400.

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                                caKuma @stephenw10
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                                @stephenw10 yep it's enabled.

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                                • stephenw10S
                                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                  Ah well maybe run some tests with and without powerd enabled and see if it makes any difference. Personally I just like seeing it enabled. ๐Ÿ˜„

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                                    pfsense1921
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                                    I have read everysingle post in this thread (and few hundred in the other watchguard thread).

                                    Based upon Sept 2021 dollars, it looks like to get into a M400 + maybe a memory/cpu upgrade at least $300. How does a pfsense/unlocked bios stock M400 compare with the netgate 3100? I only have 4-5 users in the office (plus about 4-5 cell phones connected too) I love the technical modifications of messing with the M400, but seems like the 3100 is more than enough for me.

                                    Please talk me out of the M400 and to just buy the 3100 :) Thanks!

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                                    • stephenw10S
                                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                      last edited by

                                      The 3100 is fanless, consumes less power, comes with warranty and is tested on extensively on every pfSense release. ๐Ÿ˜€

                                      What WAN speed do you have? Might that get an upgrade in the near future?

                                      Steve

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                                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @stephenw10
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                                        @stephenw10 said in Watchguard Firebox M400/M500:

                                        What WAN speed do you have? Might that get an upgrade in the near future?

                                        This is the big question for sure in helping to size netgate appliance - with 4-5 users and their toys (cell phones).. Prob a 2100 would be fine as well?

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                                          pfsense1921 @johnpoz
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                                          I do have 3 Voip devices too. My ISP is only 75 Mbps, my wan is 100Mbps. Sounds like 3100 is plenty. Is the 3100 locked down anywhere? Any proprietary stuff?

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                                          • stephenw10S
                                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                            At those speeds I would look at the 2100 too. It isn't as fast as the 3100 but is arm64 (the 3100 is 32bit) and has 4GB RAM.
                                            Both are ARM devices which means they only run Plus, you can't run CE on them.

                                            Steve

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