What would you choose between these 2 mini-itx fanless systems? (J1900 vs N3150)
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Ok guys,
I just wanted to buy a small low power mini-itx system to load my pfsense (which I was using as VM in a Microserver G8 actually)…
I'm still in doubts between these classical 2 systems:
which features:
Intel N3150 CPU
2 x Realtek RTL8111DL nics
Mini PCIe Wi-Fivs the well known Qotom Q190G4N-S07
which features:
Intel J1900 CPU
4 x Intel I211AT nics
Mini PCIe Wi-FiI'm still undecided because:
Qotom:
- 4 Intel nics = more performant than realtek ones
- faster cpu
- no AES-NI support on CPU
- older cpu and higher CPU TDP (14nm vs 22nm)
- support only DDR3 (vs DDR3L so more watt usage)
- higher consumption (10W vs 4W)
what do you think?
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I own the N3150 unit which is very nice, however please read below.
Others who own this unit reported only one of the 2 realtek NIC's working, I confirmed the same problem on my unit. I have removed the wireless capability, so detached the aerials and removed the wireless card, replaced it with a dual port i350 intel NIC, and with the intel NIC's I added the unit is superb.
Someone on kitz forum uses the other unit and he is very happy with it.
The latter unit is better out of the box for sure, but the N3150 is perhaps better if you willing to add a intel addon card.
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thank you for information.
I need at least 2 nics and I'd like to use internal wifi with a repeater…so if it is as you said I couldn't really go with the N3150 chinese box and need to go with the Qotom even if it has the old J1900 cpu..
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I need at least 2 nics and I'd like to use internal wifi with a repeater
Don't put a lot of plans on wifi with pfsense…you'll probably end up disappointed. Honestly, between those two, I'd keep looking. The unistorm looks like a HTPC and I don't see any point in buying a new j1900 now that goldmont CPUs are shipping. If you have a solution now and aren't in a rush, just keep looking.
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Don't put a lot of plans on wifi with pfsense…you'll probably end up disappointed. Honestly, between those two, I'd keep looking. The unistorm looks like a HTPC and I don't see any point in buying a new j1900 now that goldmont CPUs are shipping. If you have a solution now and aren't in a rush, just keep looking.
uhm…thanks for suggestion...i'm actually running a mikrotik board and i'm quite happy with its performance (btw I have an adsl line 20M down / 1M up, so not overkill) but missing the config flexibility of pfsense...but yes, I can wait..
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btw I have an adsl line 20M down / 1M up
Well with that added information, performance really isn't a factor. :) Anything remotely modern can saturate a 20M link with openvpn, with or without AES-NI. Price out the qotom and maybe an apu2 for comparison, get whatever's cheaper in your area.
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qotom is a lot more affordable than apu2 (around 120 eur vs. 250 eur) ::)
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APU2 is 180Euro full bundle: enclosure, 16GB mSata SSD, power supply and board.
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qotom is a lot more affordable than apu2 (around 120 eur vs. 250 eur) ::)
well, that's why I said "in your area". if you can get the qotom for 120 including ram, storage, etc., and the apu2 costs more then it's an easy choice. from where I'm buying the apu2 ends up cheaper, but I understand that they aren't as competitive in other regions.
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APU2 is 180Euro full bundle: enclosure, 16GB mSata SSD, power supply and board.
where please?
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APU2 is 180Euro full bundle: enclosure, 16GB mSata SSD, power supply and board.
where please?
http://varia-store.com/Hardware/PC-Engines-Bundles/APU-2C4-Bundles/APU2C4-Embedded-Box-Bundle-1GHz-4GB-RAM-3x-LAN::29135.html
It's almost 200E now. Was 180 when I was ordering last week.
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Of the two, I would get the Qotom Q190G4N-S07. Unless your pushing 100+mbit over vpn I would not thing twice about the AES-NI. Also Intel NICs WILL save you time and hasel down the road. I have had some many issues with realtek nics (esp. multiport cards) doing completely asinine things, its just not worth messing with them in any server/router platform.
Personally, I got the 2440 Netgate box and LOVE it. Its been rock solid and I know it will be supported 100%
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I am definitely biased but I wouldn't choose either one of those, for a number of reasons. :-X
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I am definitely biased but I wouldn't choose either one of those, for a number of reasons. :-X
Care to elaborate a bit please ?
I'm a pfsense newbie , just considering my first install
https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=127036.0If i like it , i have been eyebaling the "black" one , as i only need VPN for "home" usage.
/Bingo
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would go n3150
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would go n3150
Might do so too , but the "Box" shown has realtek IF's.
Some users here says that they have problems with getting the 2'nd IF to forward packages./Bingo
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Have you also taken a look at the Shuttle DS67U ? It is fanless, has got two Intel Nics, and a Celeron 3855U CPU which supports AES NI ! https://ark.intel.com/products/92211/Intel-Celeron-Processor-3855U-2M-Cache-1_60-GHz. This processor is according the benchmarks in the same leaque as the N3160.
I am considering this one besides the Zotac CI325 but the CI325 has Realtek NICS :( … -
I am definitely biased but I wouldn't choose either one of those, for a number of reasons. :-X
thanks jimp, can you please detail the reasons so I can follow you? :)
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would go n3150
I am thinking of buying the n3150, but as someone pointed out, new Intel goldmont CPU's are coming out. Realtek has been proven to work with the current vesion of pfsense but what is the through put? Is it stable gigabit wan and lan?
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Get the Quotom (disclaimer, I am using one happily).
AES-NI, according to anything I've managed to read on this forum, is an extremely dubious advantage for your typical smaller scale setup.
10W vs 6W is utterly trivial in terms of power savings.
Why buy yourself NIC compatibility problems with the N3150 option?
