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    What would you choose between these 2 mini-itx fanless systems? (J1900 vs N3150)

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      icest0rm
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      @VAMike:

      Don't put a lot of plans on wifi with pfsense…you'll probably end up disappointed. Honestly, between those two, I'd keep looking. The unistorm looks like a HTPC and I don't see any point in buying a new j1900 now that goldmont CPUs are shipping. If you have a solution now and aren't in a rush, just keep looking.

      uhm…thanks for suggestion...i'm actually running a mikrotik board and i'm quite happy with its performance (btw I have an adsl line 20M down / 1M up, so not overkill) but missing the config flexibility of pfsense...but yes, I can wait..

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        VAMike
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        @icest0rm:

        btw I have an adsl line 20M down / 1M up

        Well with that added information, performance really isn't a factor. :) Anything remotely modern can saturate a 20M link with openvpn, with or without AES-NI. Price out the qotom and maybe an apu2 for comparison, get whatever's cheaper in your area.

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          icest0rm
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          qotom is a lot more affordable than apu2 (around 120 eur vs. 250 eur)  ::)

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            Mithrandir
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            APU2 is 180Euro full bundle: enclosure, 16GB mSata SSD, power supply and board.

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              VAMike
              last edited by

              @icest0rm:

              qotom is a lot more affordable than apu2 (around 120 eur vs. 250 eur)  ::)

              well, that's why I said "in your area". if you can get the qotom for 120 including ram, storage, etc., and the apu2 costs more then it's an easy choice. from where I'm buying the apu2 ends up cheaper, but I understand that they aren't as competitive in other regions.

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                icest0rm
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                @Mithrandir:

                APU2 is 180Euro full bundle: enclosure, 16GB mSata SSD, power supply and board.

                where please?

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                  Mithrandir
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                  @icest0rm:

                  @Mithrandir:

                  APU2 is 180Euro full bundle: enclosure, 16GB mSata SSD, power supply and board.

                  where please?

                  http://varia-store.com/Hardware/PC-Engines-Bundles/APU-2C4-Bundles/APU2C4-Embedded-Box-Bundle-1GHz-4GB-RAM-3x-LAN::29135.html

                  It's almost 200E now. Was 180 when I was ordering last week.

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                  • curtisgriceC
                    curtisgrice
                    last edited by

                    Of the two, I would get the Qotom Q190G4N-S07. Unless your pushing 100+mbit over vpn I would not thing twice about the AES-NI. Also Intel NICs WILL save you time and hasel down the road. I have had some many issues with realtek nics (esp. multiport cards) doing completely asinine things, its just not worth messing with them in any server/router platform.

                    Personally, I got the 2440 Netgate box and LOVE it. Its been rock solid and I know it will be supported 100%

                    Slow code? Sounds like a good reason to buy more hardware!

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                    • jimpJ
                      jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
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                      I am definitely biased but I wouldn't choose either one of those, for a number of reasons.  :-X

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                        bingo600
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                        @jimp:

                        I am definitely biased but I wouldn't choose either one of those, for a number of reasons.  :-X

                        Care to elaborate a bit please ?

                        I'm a pfsense newbie , just considering my first install
                        https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=127036.0

                        If i like it , i have been eyebaling the "black" one , as i only need VPN for "home" usage.

                        /Bingo

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                          messerchmidt
                          last edited by

                          would go n3150

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                            bingo600
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                            @messerchmidt:

                            would go n3150

                            Might do so too , but the "Box" shown has realtek IF's.
                            Some users here says that they have problems with getting the 2'nd IF to forward packages.

                            /Bingo

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                            LAN  : 4 x Intel 211, Disk  : 240G SAMSUNG MZ7L3240HCHQ SSD

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                              lansmurf
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                              Have you also taken a look at the Shuttle DS67U ? It is fanless, has got two Intel Nics, and a Celeron 3855U CPU which supports AES NI !    https://ark.intel.com/products/92211/Intel-Celeron-Processor-3855U-2M-Cache-1_60-GHz. This processor is according the benchmarks in the same leaque as the N3160.
                              I am considering this one besides the Zotac CI325 but the CI325 has Realtek NICS  :( …

                              pfSense 2.4.0 on Shuttle DS77U

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                                icest0rm
                                last edited by

                                @jimp:

                                I am definitely biased but I wouldn't choose either one of those, for a number of reasons.  :-X

                                thanks jimp, can you please detail the reasons so I can follow you? :)

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                                  Waqar.UK
                                  last edited by

                                  @messerchmidt:

                                  would go n3150

                                  I am thinking of buying the n3150, but as someone pointed out, new Intel goldmont CPU's are coming out. Realtek has been proven to work with the current vesion of pfsense but what is the through put? Is it stable gigabit wan and lan?

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                                    psensible
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                                    Get the Quotom (disclaimer, I am using one happily).

                                    AES-NI, according to anything I've managed to read on this forum, is an extremely dubious advantage for your typical smaller scale setup.

                                    10W vs 6W is utterly trivial in terms of power savings.

                                    Why buy yourself NIC compatibility problems with the N3150 option?

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                                      Waqar.UK
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                                      @psensible:

                                      Get the Quotom (disclaimer, I am using one happily).

                                      AES-NI, according to anything I've managed to read on this forum, is an extremely dubious advantage for your typical smaller scale setup.

                                      10W vs 6W is utterly trivial in terms of power savings.

                                      Why buy yourself NIC compatibility problems with the N3150 option?

                                      Fair enough.

                                      But: "AES-NI, according to anything I've managed to read on this forum, is an extremely dubious advantage for your typical smaller scale setup."

                                      Can you point where please?

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                                        VAMike
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                                        @Waqar.UK:

                                        But: "AES-NI, according to anything I've managed to read on this forum, is an extremely dubious advantage for your typical smaller scale setup."

                                        If your bandwidth is low enough, anything modern can keep up using openvpn. AES-NI is only really a factor if you're doing higher speeds (but: those are becoming more common, which is why it's talked about so much here). If you have no chance to upgrade past a 50Mbps connection for the life of the hardware, it's a non-issue.

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                                          icest0rm
                                          last edited by

                                          @lansmurf:

                                          Have you also taken a look at the Shuttle DS67U ? It is fanless, has got two Intel Nics, and a Celeron 3855U CPU which supports AES NI !    https://ark.intel.com/products/92211/Intel-Celeron-Processor-3855U-2M-Cache-1_60-GHz. This processor is according the benchmarks in the same leaque as the N3160.
                                          I am considering this one besides the Zotac CI325 but the CI325 has Realtek NICS  :( …

                                          this does cost around 500 euros here :(

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                                            bingo600
                                            last edited by

                                            @icest0rm:

                                            @lansmurf:

                                            Have you also taken a look at the Shuttle DS67U ? It is fanless, has got two Intel Nics, and a Celeron 3855U CPU which supports AES NI !    https://ark.intel.com/products/92211/Intel-Celeron-Processor-3855U-2M-Cache-1_60-GHz. This processor is according the benchmarks in the same leaque as the N3160.
                                            I am considering this one besides the Zotac CI325 but the CI325 has Realtek NICS  :( …

                                            this does cost around 500 euros here :(

                                            I see them on ebay for around 300$  (+ Ram & HDD)
                                            http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Shuttle-Ds67u-1-6Ghz-3855U-Bga1356-1-3L-Sized-Pc-Barebone-DS67U-/401281338907

                                            http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shuttle-DS67U-1-6GHz-3855U-BGA1356-1-3L-sized-PC-Schwarz-PC-Workstation-B-HY614-/352003310020

                                            Not often prices goes up (Recommended retail 226€) , maybe thats wo. VAT
                                            http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Reviews/Specific.aspx?ArticleId=48834

                                            This one looks interesting too , dual intel NIC
                                            But has fans) , and i suppose no CPU.

                                            Shuttle XPC slim DQ170
                                            http://www.shuttle.eu/products/slim/dq170/

                                            /Bingo

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                                            pfSense+ 23.05.1 (ZFS)

                                            QOTOM-Q355G4 Quad Lan.
                                            CPU  : Core i5 5250U, Ram : 8GB Kingston DDR3LV 1600
                                            LAN  : 4 x Intel 211, Disk  : 240G SAMSUNG MZ7L3240HCHQ SSD

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