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    NetGear(s) in AP Mode will not communicate on different LANs (Resolved)

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    • Z
      z71prix
      last edited by z71prix

      NetGear in Access Point Mode will not communicate on different LANs

      My configuration:

      WAN
      LAN1 (Netgear R8500 configured in AP mode)
      LAN2 (Netgear R7000 configugred in AP mode)
      LAN3

      1. If I'm on LAN1 I can't log into my R7000 on LAN 2 web browser ( I know IP address by going to DHCP leases)
      2. If I'm on LAN2 I can't not access R8500 using web browser ( I know IP address by going to DHCP leases)

      I'm able to ping with reply back. I'm able to communicate with HP printer that's on LAN1 while I'm on LAN2.
      I'm able to connect to the R7000 and R8500 if I'm on the same LAN?

      Any ideas?

      3_1548426323997_LAN1.JPG 2_1548426323997_LAN2.JPG 1_1548426323997_2.JPG 0_1548426323996_3.JPG

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      • GertjanG
        Gertjan @z71prix
        last edited by Gertjan

        Hi,

        Saw your findings and firewall rules.

        I have AP's on 'a LAN2' like you, living on 192.168.2.0/24 and can access them just fine form LAN(192.168.1.0/24).

        If you can't solve it with some setting on these NetGear AP, I guess this mighty be true then :

        @z71prix said in NetGear(s) in AP Mode will not communicate on different LANs:

        NetGear in Access Point Mode will not communicate on different LANs

        Btw : I presume your not using your AP's as a router. Just a simple AP, bridging Radio to LAN.

        edit : You spotted the rule on each LAN1 and LAN2 interface that is useless ? :)

        No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
        Edit : and where are the logs ??

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        • Z
          z71prix
          last edited by

          Hello,

          Thank you very much for the reply back, I have two rules there due to me trying everything I could think of to correct the issue.

          Yes, both are setup as APs and not routers. Strange I can only access them on the same LAN with the rules I have set up. I've removed the unnecessary rules. Still will not communicate, still pings ok.

          So stumped on this?

          These settings should be correct now.

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          • GertjanG
            Gertjan
            last edited by Gertjan

            You can't do any better.
            For me, traffic passes, but if the NetGear doesn't want to talk to other devices except being present on it's own LAN, then that up to them.
            Maybe you should disconnect it (them) and take them for a walk and a motivating discussion ?! ;)

            No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
            Edit : and where are the logs ??

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            • Z
              z71prix
              last edited by

              Thank you, very strange I cannot talk to the routers (AP Mode) from different LANs and it works fine for the LAN it's connected too?

              Anyone else with any ideas or experiences?

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              • N
                Napsterbater @z71prix
                last edited by

                @z71prix do the APs have correct gateway/default route set?

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                • johnpozJ
                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                  last edited by

                  Yeah if the device doesn't have a gateway then no you wouldn't be able to talk to from another network... Without source natting the traffic to look like its on the same lan as the device without a gateway.

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                  • Z
                    z71prix
                    last edited by

                    Both routers are setup in default AP mode. The gateways are in the pictures below, looks like gateway received from each LAN on pfsense.

                    1_1548523588237_3.JPG 0_1548523588236_2.JPG

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                    • johnpozJ
                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                      last edited by

                      Then it could be issue with the netgear just not wanting to allow remote access to its gui... Look to see if you can enable remote admin.

                      If not since you say it works when you access it from device on that network.. Source nat it so traffic from your remote IP looks like its on that vlan... This is done in the outbound nat tab picking the interface the AP is on, vs the WAN interface.

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                      • Z
                        z71prix
                        last edited by

                        Hello John,

                        Remote on the routers are unavailable.
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                        I went to NAT Outbound and changed below to LAN1 and LAN2 is this what you were referring too? If so still no communication to the router APs?

                        0_1548526759057_5.JPG

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                        • johnpozJ
                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                          last edited by johnpoz

                          Dude your natting everything your VPN.. That is most likely where your problem is!!

                          Why would you not be in hybrid mode if your using a vpn?

                          And you would want to setup destination on when to source nat the traffic.

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                          • Z
                            z71prix
                            last edited by

                            John,

                            I followed instructions from someone that setup NordVPN, based on that are where these settings came from. LOL

                            I want every device on LAN1 to go through VPN. LAN2 I want every device to go though WAN

                            Does this look correct now based on what I described above? If so still not working.

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                            • DerelictD
                              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                              last edited by Derelict

                              You would probably want to NAT source any or source from an alias with RFC1918. At a minimum you want to NAT from LAN1 sources outbound on LAN2 and LAN2 sources out of LAN1. You also probably want to limit the NAT to just the destination of the APs.

                              And, yes, you probably want to use Hybrid NAT mode and let it do the heavy lifting with you only adding the LAN1 and LAN2 rules. (Yeah, that's better in Hybrid mode.)

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                                z71prix
                                last edited by z71prix

                                I cleaned up NAT and using Hybrid
                                0_1548531473621_13.PNG

                                No VPN internet now on LAN1?

                                LAN2 internet from WAN is ok.

                                LAN1 Rules
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                                I'm not sure how to setup an alisas for RFC1918, can you provide guidance? I'm so confused now.

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                                • RicoR
                                  Rico LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance
                                  last edited by Rico

                                  Navigate to Firewall > Aliases:
                                  Create an alias for the RFC1918 network ranges. Call it private_networks and include the following ranges:

                                  • 10.0.0.0/8
                                  • 172.16.0.0/12
                                  • 192.168.0.0/16

                                  -Rico

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                                  • Z
                                    z71prix
                                    last edited by

                                    Hello Rico,

                                    Thank you for the instructions, I did make a small change due to my LANs IP addresses. correct?

                                    Internet works on LAN2 however still not working on LAN1 VPN internet?

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                                    • Z
                                      z71prix
                                      last edited by

                                      Got the VPN internet back on LAN1 by adding to NAT? Does this look correct?

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                                      • DerelictD
                                        Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                        last edited by

                                        Why did you check static port on the LAN1 and LAN2 NAT rules. Nobody told you to do that.

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                                        • Z
                                          z71prix
                                          last edited by

                                          Hello Derelict,

                                          pfsense defaulted to static. LOL now it's corrected.

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                                          • johnpozJ
                                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                            last edited by johnpoz

                                            And does it work? Sniff on lan2 interface when trying to talk to lan2 AP from lan 1... Is the source IP your Lan2 interface IP.. Does the AP answer?

                                            If works really no reason to sniff - but if not working they validate that pfsense is sending with source IP changed..

                                            And NO pfsense does not default to static
                                            0_1548534150058_notdefaultstatic.png

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