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    • bingo600B
      bingo600 @kiokoman
      last edited by bingo600

      @kiokoman
      If it's a low volume IOT setup , then i see no issue in doing what you have described.

      Not best practice from a performance wise point.
      But how much data will they push to the server ...

      RSTP would be preferred , but you would prob survive the 50 sec STP delay , as it's only on a switch uplink topology change it would be active.

      As previously mentioned i'd prob. force the bottom switch to be STP Root.

      Are you sure they will continue to use it as a flat L2 (single vlan) ?.
      These IOT/HVAC nets have a nasty habit of being (mis)Used for other things at a later point.

      What i mean ... Should you Vlan enable the setup already on install.
      And maybe just make 1 or 2 vlans for starters, and assign all edge/client ports to the IOT VLAN for now.

      That way they can (mis)Use it for some other low volume stuff at a later time, wo. major downtime.

      Just a suggestion:
      I'm not sure if this goes for RSTP too , but in the old days ... :

      I'd suggest you test a few DHCP clients (if DHCP is used for IOT) , by disconnecting the RJ45 , and reconnect it , or power off/on the device.
      We have (in the old days) all been bitten by not setting "spanning tree portfast" , on an edge port. And have the STP delay take longer than the "Windows" DHCP timeout , giving DHCP timeout issues at times.

      I think it (portfast on cisco) might be called spanning tree edge on some switches.

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      • johnpozJ
        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @kiokoman
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        @kiokoman said in Help with 8 switch in a ring topology:

        they send data only if there are something to report

        I would hope they send some sort of keep alive at some sort of interval even if its every 24 hours or something.. To just say - nothing to report..

        If not what if something goes off line - and then there is some sort of event, and you miss the data because device has been offline for 3 weeks..

        But that sure seems like low amount of data.. So yeah shouldn't be an issue..

        edit: Ok still missing a piece of the drawing there, assumed those were stacked switches. But there is nothing actually showing connections so while the 1st floor listed and top have a connection to the bottom switch.. Those other switches are not actually showing a connection on how they could talk to the bottom switch.

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        • bingo600B
          bingo600 @johnpoz
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          @johnpoz

          I read the drawing as each floor (switch / stack) having a fiber comming from "top" , and another going to the one "below".

          So each switch have 2 fiber connections , that would make a single floor failure survivable , except lowest (SPOF) , that feeds both paths.

          Edit :
          I read the 2 "boxes" on each floor , as representing the fiber interfaces in same switch/stack. Not 2 separate switches.
          Else that drawing makes no sense.

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          • johnpozJ
            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @bingo600
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            @bingo600 said in Help with 8 switch in a ring topology:

            I read the 2 "boxes" on each floor , as representing the fiber interfaces in same switch/stack

            Well that makes much more sense ;) heheheh

            I was thinking the same thing until mentioned east and west.. So I was thinking they were 2 switches one on each side of the floor ;)

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            • bingo600B
              bingo600 @johnpoz
              last edited by bingo600

              @johnpoz said in Help with 8 switch in a ring topology:

              I was thinking the same thing until he mentioned east ans west.. So I was thinking they were 2 switches on on each side of the floor ;)

              That would leave some (most) IOT units "speachless" 😊

              But now that you mention east/west ... 100/200.
              I hope not ..... Unless he's linking east/west via copper , and this is just showing the fiber patch.

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              • johnpozJ
                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @bingo600
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                Exactly - which was like what... So yeah if connections off the same switch on each floor then yeah makes sense and you have 2 paths in case of problem with 1 of the switches..

                With very low bandwidth requirements - nothing wrong with doing it that way I guess. I would still have runs to each switch (if possible)..

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                • bingo600B
                  bingo600 @johnpoz
                  last edited by bingo600

                  @johnpoz said in Help with 8 switch in a ring topology:

                  I guess. I would still have runs to each switch (if possible)..

                  They prob haven't got the fibers for it.
                  This is prob. an addon , and most fibers are reserved/used for other stuff.

                  See my edit in the post above ...
                  You made me doubt now ...

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                  • kiokomanK
                    kiokoman LAYER 8 @bingo600
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                    there is 1 switch on every floor. port 25 go to the switch below, port 27 go to the switch on the upper floor.

                    .100 ----copper ---> switch <---copper------ .200 port 25/27 up/down fiber
                    i will add a second switch to the SPOF

                    they are preparing all the switch in a lab to take the test and the first configuration

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                    • bingo600B
                      bingo600 @kiokoman
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                      @kiokoman
                      So everything will reside in the 172.16.x.x/16 range , including switch mgmt ?

                      All in a single "default vlan" ?

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                      • bingo600B
                        bingo600 @kiokoman
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                        @kiokoman

                        Is this a "floor layout" ?

                        kioko.png

                        /Bingo

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                        • kiokomanK
                          kiokoman LAYER 8 @bingo600
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                          @bingo600 Immagine.jpg

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                          • bingo600B
                            bingo600 @kiokoman
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                            @kiokoman

                            Does that mean there's 3 switches on each floor ?
                            The "Red dot" fiber connected switch , and then the copper connected IOT switches 100 & 200 ??

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                            • kiokomanK
                              kiokoman LAYER 8 @bingo600
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                              @bingo600
                              i selected a random picture from your program...
                              there is 1 switch x floor

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                              • bingo600B
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                                @kiokoman

                                Ahh so that was just a "Dia drawing test" 👍

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