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    • patient0P
      patient0 @Globaltrader312
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      @Globaltrader312 Well, that part looks good. Don't know about the floating firewall rule. I didn't add any firewall rule for the modem access. Have you tried disabling the rule for the moment?

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      • johnpozJ
        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Globaltrader312
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        @Globaltrader312 said in Access Modem GUI Behind Firewall:

        I have now selected ppoe as Getway WAN2 and moved it to the top

        But that is not the case, your not going out the pppoe interface, to talk to the modems actual IP, you would go out just the interfaces IP ie the 192.168.5.2 address.. Not the pppoe interface which rides on top of the physical interface.

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          Globaltrader312 @johnpoz
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          @johnpoz said in Access Modem GUI Behind Firewall:

          But that is not the case, your not going out the pppoe interface, to talk to the modems actual IP, you would go out just the interfaces IP ie the 192.168.5.2 address.. Not the pppoe interface which rides on top of the physical interface.

          that's clear to me i just don't know how to change it i followed the instructions from netgate exactly and configured everything the same way then the instructions seem to be useless

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          • johnpozJ
            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Globaltrader312
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            @Globaltrader312 DON'T Set the gateway on the rule so pfsense can use its normal routing.. It is attached to the 192.168.5 network - it knows how to get there - you can ping it right.. So why would you think you should force it out the pppoe connection.

            The rules say nothing of the sort.

            If your doing auto nat, pfsense would change your lan connection to the 192.186.5.2 address when talking to the vigor .1 address. Unless you have modified your outbound nat this should be clicky clicky.

            You have multiple wan interfaces, and are doing policy routing.. You have to have rules that allow the traffic you want without policy routing.

            Your taking instructions for a simple setup, one pppoe connection which normally people wouldn't policy route with and trying to apply them to your not common setup..

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              Globaltrader312 @johnpoz
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              @johnpoz said in Access Modem GUI Behind Firewall:

              DON'T Set the gateway on the rule so pfsense can use its normal routing.. It is attached to the 192.168.5 network - it knows how to get there - you can ping it right.. So why would you think you should force it out the pppoe connection.

              The rules say nothing of the sort.

              If your doing auto nat, pfsense would change your lan connection to the 192.186.5.2 address when talking to the vigor .1 address. Unless you have modified your outbound nat this should be clicky clicky.

              You have multiple wan interfaces, and are doing policy routing.. You have to have rules that allow the traffic you want without policy routing.

              Your taking instructions for a simple setup, one pppoe connection which normally people wouldn't policy route with and trying to apply them to your not common setup..

              DON'T Set the gateway on the rule so pfsense can use its normal routing... It is attached to the 192.168.5 network - it knows how to get there - you can ping it right... So why would you think you should force it out the pppoe connection.

              i don't think anything i just tried something on the advice of the other user.

              The rules say nothing of the sort. ok

              If your doing auto nat, pfsense would change your lan connection to the 192.186.5.2 address when talking to the vigor .1 address. Unless you have modified your outbound nat this should be clicky clicky. i have set the outboundd nat ruele as in the instructions

              You have multiple wan interfaces, and are doing policy routing... You have to have rules that allow the traffic you want without policy routing ok

              which ones would that be and how do i set them on my edge router i just had one nat rule and that was enough for that ?

              Your taking instructions for a simple setup, one pppoe connection which normally people wouldn't policy route with and trying to apply them to your not common setup... I wasn't sure of anything so I asked if it was the Multi WAN Wan failvoer setup

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              • patient0P
                patient0
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                I lost a bit the overview of what got done and what not.

                If you have the patience I'd start over. For me it worked well by only creating the modem interface and the NAT Outgoing rule, nothing else needed. Even as I added a second WAN-over-USB-tethering interface and created a gateway group with it (WAN tier 1 and WAN-tethering as tier 2).

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                  Globaltrader312 @patient0
                  last edited by Globaltrader312

                  @patient0 I have now removed the gateway with 192.168.5.1 from the firewall rules as well.

                  yes i am also a bit confused because in the beginning i only had WAN inteferaces with multi WAN and failover setup including iPV4 gateway and V6 gateway and a gateway group with tier 1 2 3 and set this in the LAN any rule
                  then I worked as described in the instructions.
                  again it does not work

                  I will start again from the beginning

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                  • patient0P
                    patient0 @Globaltrader312
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                    @Globaltrader312 I ran/run into a bit of a problem since Friday afternoon that I loose my internet access although I get the public IP but I can't ping the ISP gateway anymore on IPv4. With that I sometimes can't access the modem either sometimes. In that case I can't ping the modem ip neither and the route to the modem/modem net is gone.

                    I then have to remove PPPoE and add it again, plus have to go into the modem interface and just save it. The route is there again and it voila :/ ... let's hope you don't have that strange point of <whatever the reason of it>

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                      Globaltrader312 @patient0
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                      @patient0 I also had a complete outage several times a day, only 100 packet loss on all 3 WANs, a known problem when bagoon networks are blocked because the table is full, even though I use a Dell EMC 430 server for the Pfsense.

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                      • JonathanLeeJ
                        JonathanLee
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                        You need an arp entry for it to work. What interface can you ping it from?

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                          Globaltrader312 @JonathanLee
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                          @JonathanLee said in Access Modem GUI Behind Firewall:

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                          interface vigor

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                          • JonathanLeeJ
                            JonathanLee
                            last edited by JonathanLee

                            Have you tried to set it to that interface for the floating rule? You have 3 wans so that rule would need to float to be able to be accessed in all of the interfaces. Please enable logging so we can see where it fails also. All interfaces turn on logging and after we can search for 192.168.5.1 traffic

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                              Globaltrader312 @JonathanLee
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                              @JonathanLee said in Access Modem GUI Behind Firewall:

                              Have you tried to set it to that interface for the floating rule? You have 3 wans so that rule would need to float to be able to be accessed in all of the interfaces. Please enable logging so we can see where it fails also. All interfaces turn on logging and after we can search for 192.168.5.1 traffic

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                              I have set the floating rule to Vigor as the interface, but I'm not sure which one I need to set to make it work.

                              When I ping the Vigor interface it works and is displayed in the ARP table for a while but not permanently.

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                              • johnpozJ
                                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Globaltrader312
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                                @Globaltrader312 said in Access Modem GUI Behind Firewall:

                                ARP table for a while but not permanently.

                                why would you think it should be perm? The default arp cache is 20 minutes in freebsd/pfsense..

                                Why are you creating a floating rule? You don't need a floating rule, and you don't need your rule above your lock out rule.. Jut place your rule on your lan above your policy routing rules.

                                Here maybe this will help you understand what is happening.. Here is my setup to access my modems gui IP 192.168.100.1, since my pfsense gets public IP on its wan.

                                Created a vip (another IP on the interface) 192.168.100.2

                                Switched to hybrid nat so could setup outbound nat so traffic wanting to go to 192.168.100.1 was natted to my 192.168.100.2 address

                                My rules do not do any policy routing and allow the traffic just via normal default lan any any rule.

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                                  Globaltrader312 @johnpoz
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                                  @johnpoz

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                                  So I have now created a virtual IP with 192.168.5.4/24, which is one from the vigor subnet if I have understood it correctly, this should be correct.

                                  then i created an outbound nat rule. i just can't enter 192.168.5.1/24 the pfsense always changes it to 192.168.5.0/24

                                  Unfortunately it still does not work.

                                  one thing is still not clear to me i have not created any special policy based rules but there are only the anti lockout rule and the two any to any rules and nothing more.

                                  Which rule would I have to create so that I have access to the modem?

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                                    Gblenn @Globaltrader312
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                                    @Globaltrader312
                                    I have never used PPPoE but why do you have two separate interfaces for the WAN and the VIGOR device? Seems they are based on the igb1 interface but PPPoE sais igb1.7.

                                    I get that the VIGOR device is in MODEM mode and simply passes the public IP through to pfsense. When I had an LTE router that was working in bridge mode (modem mode) all I had to do was to create a static route to that IP/32.

                                    Destination : 192.168.5.1 /32
                                    Gateway : VIGOR
                                    Description : Static route to modem UI

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                                      Globaltrader312 @Gblenn
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                                      @Gblenn

                                      i followed the instructions and there i understood it like this because pppoe only has a virtual inertafce so pppoe1 on bge 1 i have to set a second interface on bge 1 with vigor static ipv4 192.168.5.3/24 1.7 is only vlan tag 7 for dialling in to Vodafone DSL

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                                      • johnpozJ
                                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Globaltrader312
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                                        @Globaltrader312 said in Access Modem GUI Behind Firewall:

                                        So I have now created a virtual IP with 192.168.5.4/24,

                                        I didn't say to do that - I did that because my wan interface already had a public IP on it, I do not use PPPoe..

                                        You need an IP that can talk to 192.168.5.1 on the physical interface that is connected to your device that your PPPoe runs on..

                                        Do you also need a vlan tag??

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                                          Globaltrader312 @johnpoz
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                                          @johnpoz
                                          then i misunderstood that i thought that would be the solution
                                          i added the interface vigor to bge 0 and gave this interface the ip 192.168.5.3 and with this and the outbound nat rule it does not work.

                                          i thought if i did exactly that it would work.

                                          with my other interface where i use DHCP to get the fixed IP from the ISP i can access the modem without extra rules but not with the SVDSL MOdem.

                                          yes i need vlan tag 7 therefor the interface is 1,7
                                          pppoe runs on bge1 / ppoe1 and the interface vigor too

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                                          • johnpozJ
                                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Globaltrader312
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                                            @Globaltrader312 said in Access Modem GUI Behind Firewall:

                                            yes i need vlan tag 7 therefor the interface is 1,7

                                            you need a vlan tag for pppoe, but do you need it to just talk to the devices IP?? That seems unlikely to me.

                                            Forget pppoe for a second. If you connect just say a laptop to this vigor device.. Does it get a 192.168.5.x address? If so then there is no tagging needed.

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