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Upgrade 2.5.2 to 2.6.0, upgrade success, Limiters not passing

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    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
    last edited by Feb 18, 2022, 2:11 PM

    With FQ_CoDel can I assume you are applying it outbound on WAN?

    More likely to have issues doing that but others are seeing this on more regular Limiters/rules.

    Kind of odd to see the traffic in the scheduler and not the limiter there....

    Maybe because you're using child queues.

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      Gertjan
      last edited by Feb 18, 2022, 3:43 PM

      Hummm.

      I've stumbled also on a limiter issue since 2.6.0.

      Upgraded pfSense @home - using a Hyper-X, using a VM, so my interfaces are called 'hn0' and 'hn1'. It was a "Let's watch some Netflix show while doing this" user experience. It was less intrusive as an iPhone upgrade

      I've been using using the "anti bloat limiters" from here : Playing with fq_codel in 2.4 (probably the biggest thread on this forum).

      Jimp showed me recently that there is a dedicated pfSense Documentation on this subject now : Configuring CoDel Limiters for Bufferbloat.

      On my @work pfSense, using a Dell 'something' I7 core with a quad Intel NIC (em0-em3), as soon as I create the floating firewall rule, all hell breaks loose. Unbound looses upstream connection. Restarting it shows to it tries to connect to the main 13 root servers, but noting gets resolved any more.

      Note that I'm using the IPv6 tunnel setup from he.net - so I have a WAN IPv4 interface.
      and a "HENET" that is IPv6 only. Is that a multiple WAN setup? I had, before, doubled my Up and down limiters, one set (up and down) for IPv4 and one set (up and won) for IPv6. That worked fine. Bloat testers were happy. I was happy.

      As soon as I activate one IPv4 or two (IPv4 and IPv6) of the floating rules, see under Create Floating Rule my pfSense goes in a state that floats between on-line and off-line.

      Before, there was a floating firewall rule for the up stream, and one for the down stream. The up stream floating rule had a gateway set.
      Before, ECN want not checked, now it is.

      I've rebooted in "simple" mode (console option 4) : just one WAN one LAN, no packages, no config.xml import : all is ok. As soon as I add the limiters as per 'official' documentation, that one floating firewall rule : something goes wrong.
      Note that a ping "8.8.8.8" still works. But local resolving, for example, is out of business.

      My limiters info is the same as what @blikie shows :

      Limiters:
      00001:  22.000 Mbit/s    0 ms burst 0 
      q131073 1000 sl. 0 flows (1 buckets) sched 65537 weight 0 lmax 0 pri 0 droptail
       sched 65537 type FIFO flags 0x0 0 buckets 0 active
      00002:   2.000 Mbit/s    0 ms burst 0 
      q131074 1000 sl. 0 flows (1 buckets) sched 65538 weight 0 lmax 0 pri 0 droptail
       sched 65538 type FIFO flags 0x0 0 buckets 0 active
      .....
      Schedulers:
      00001:  22.000 Mbit/s    0 ms burst 0 
      q65537  50 sl. 0 flows (1 buckets) sched 1 weight 0 lmax 0 pri 0 droptail
       sched 1 type FQ_CODEL flags 0x0 0 buckets 0 active
       FQ_CODEL target 5ms interval 100ms quantum 1514 limit 10240 flows 1024 ECN
         Children flowsets: 1 
      00002:   2.000 Mbit/s    0 ms burst 0 
      q65538  50 sl. 0 flows (1 buckets) sched 2 weight 0 lmax 0 pri 0 droptail
       sched 2 type FQ_CODEL flags 0x0 0 buckets 0 active
       FQ_CODEL target 5ms interval 100ms quantum 1514 limit 10240 flows 1024 ECN
         Children flowsets: 2 
      ......
      

      I used the proposed "1000" bucket (slots) size, not "50".

      So, what's up :
      I can't read simple tutos any more ?
      I need glasses ?
      Double WAN issue ? ( I'll try tomorrow without any henet GIF IPv6 tunnel pollution ).
      Or worse : the issue is as big as a house, so I can't see it ?

      And then this : on a VM with emulated, over complex virtual NIC 'hn' interfaces, it works.
      Bare bone : it's a no go.

      Is this related ? :

      f724b55e-6e28-43b7-b258-e67e745a2680-image.png

      @home this option is set, as I'm using hn interfaces.
      Not at the work pfSense.

      I add more info when I find it.

      No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
      Edit : and where are the logs ??

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        blikie @stephenw10
        last edited by blikie Feb 18, 2022, 7:52 PM Feb 18, 2022, 7:46 PM

        @stephenw10 the same config has been working flawless since i started using pfsense2.4.5 nothing changed. Only when u run version 2.6, it breaks the internet access. It seems to be generating unknown packets in filter logs no.10 console.

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          blikie @Gertjan
          last edited by Feb 18, 2022, 7:48 PM

          @gertjan might have something to do with the newer unbound version on 2.6.. just a theory.

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            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @blikie
            last edited by Feb 18, 2022, 11:30 PM

            @blikie said in upgrade 2.5.2 to 2.6.0, upgrade success, no internet conection:

            It seems to be generating unknown packets in filter logs no.10 console.

            Can you show us an example of that?

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              Gertjan @blikie
              last edited by Feb 19, 2022, 2:11 AM

              @blikie said in upgrade 2.5.2 to 2.6.0, upgrade success, no internet conection:

              do with the newer unbound version on 2.6.. just a theory.

              I'm following upstream unbound development. pfSense doesn't include the latest version, but 1.13.2 is known to be good.

              This : the last two rules are the "limiter rules" for the IPv4 and IPv6 interfaces :

              eb44c027-092e-430e-845c-0662a2129d4b-image.png

              The situation :
              at home, using pfSense 2.6.0 in a VM, this works.
              at work, identical pfSense 2.6.0, same WAN type interfaces, upstream router/ISP - it doesn't.

              As far as I know : only NIC drivers are different.

              No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
              Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                SteveITS Galactic Empire @blikie
                last edited by Feb 19, 2022, 3:08 AM

                @blikie said in upgrade 2.5.2 to 2.6.0, upgrade success, no internet conection:

                But when u have more than 1 LAN interface active, limiters block internet access

                Meaning, if you disable all but one LAN it starts working? (maybe needs a reboot??)

                Pre-2.7.2/23.09: Only install packages for your version, or risk breaking it. Select your branch in System/Update/Update Settings.
                When upgrading, allow 10-15 minutes to restart, or more depending on packages and device speed.
                Upvote 👍 helpful posts!

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                  thiasaef @SteveITS
                  last edited by thiasaef Feb 19, 2022, 1:07 PM Feb 19, 2022, 1:06 PM

                  Traffic Shaping with fq_codel worked just fine for me after upgrading from 2.4.5-p1 to 2.6.0, even with dual wan, but unbound did not play well, hence I downgraded ...

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                    amrelsaqqa
                    last edited by amrelsaqqa Feb 19, 2022, 11:11 PM Feb 19, 2022, 11:00 PM

                    I am wondering how even 2.6.0 is officially released if two of the basic functions are not working at all!!

                    I have struggled with the no connection issue, had two sleepless nights for just figuring that out, and rebuilding my system on 2.5.2.

                    Thank goodness I still have a copy for the 2.5.2 installer image (they have removed it from the download links) quickly as fuck..

                    When I tested 2.6.0, limiters broke the internet connection, even the captive portal was having issues.

                    One issue for the captiveportal is that ICMP ping is not allowed for authenticated users !! and there is no setting to change this behavior!

                    Also, sometimes the captiveportal failed to provide normal internet access after a successful login.

                    My iPhone still asks me to login to the network, and when I do, I actually get the logout page (because I am actually logged in but the captiveportal still interrupting connections! )

                    Not even a single workaround to get it working, the only solution was to reinstall 2.5.2

                    Also, and before reverting to 2.5.2, I tried 2.7.0-DEVELOPMENT, just to try it by the way before reformatting..

                    Same issues!

                    Seems like 2.5.2 will be the golden release lol.

                    I am really disappointed, I feel like the release team has no idea about the proper software testing and releasing process.

                    And it’s more annoying when they remove the old stable release and quickly marking it as “deprecated “ in the update channel selection screen.

                    If that’s the current readiness status of 2.6.0 and they deprecate 2.5.2, what if it was stable then lol?!!

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                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                      last edited by stephenw10 Feb 20, 2022, 3:52 PM Feb 20, 2022, 12:57 AM

                      2.5.2 is still available. So is 2.5.1 if you really wanted it:
                      https://nyifiles.netgate.com/mirror/downloads/

                      Limiters in general work fine. I've been trying to replicate this issue and so far have failed.

                      Do you have any data from the captive portal issue? Similar to the reported udp issue, no outbound NAT? https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/12834

                      Steve

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                        tman222
                        last edited by tman222 Feb 20, 2022, 1:25 AM Feb 20, 2022, 1:24 AM

                        Just wanted to chime in on this thread and mention that Limiters/FQ-Codel are working fine for me as floating rules on 2.6.0/22.01 using the instructions from post number 815 in the long FQ-Codel thread:

                        https://forum.netgate.com/topic/112527/playing-with-fq_codel-in-2-4/815

                        Hope this helps.

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                          JKnott @neothesdony
                          last edited by Feb 20, 2022, 1:57 AM

                          @neothesdony said in upgrade 2.5.2 to 2.6.0, upgrade success, no internet conection:

                          any one have the same issue?

                          No, working fine here.

                          PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                          i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                          UniFi AC-Lite access point

                          I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                            SteveITS Galactic Empire @JKnott
                            last edited by Feb 20, 2022, 2:37 AM

                            I decided to update a 3100 we have that has limiters on most firewall rules on (the only) LAN, and all seems fine.

                            Pre-2.7.2/23.09: Only install packages for your version, or risk breaking it. Select your branch in System/Update/Update Settings.
                            When upgrading, allow 10-15 minutes to restart, or more depending on packages and device speed.
                            Upvote 👍 helpful posts!

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                              GeorgeCZ58 @SteveITS
                              last edited by Feb 20, 2022, 9:27 AM

                              @steveits I'm currently checking it, and seems my Limiters block internet connection on interfaces of our XG 7100. How did you setup your limiters please? Thanks.

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                                SteveITS Galactic Empire @GeorgeCZ58
                                last edited by Feb 20, 2022, 2:44 PM

                                @georgecz58 said in upgrade 2.5.2 to 2.6.0, upgrade success, no internet conection:

                                How did you setup your limiters

                                How many of your interfaces have limiters? Above posts imply it's a problem if using limiters on more than one.

                                For our use the LAN rule allows from a specific IP to any, and:
                                baf7613b-93fa-48d0-a85a-4e80b81eb9e9-image.png
                                and the Upload3m limiter:
                                4e2efc85-827a-4307-b478-5b591429ad4f-image.png

                                Pre-2.7.2/23.09: Only install packages for your version, or risk breaking it. Select your branch in System/Update/Update Settings.
                                When upgrading, allow 10-15 minutes to restart, or more depending on packages and device speed.
                                Upvote 👍 helpful posts!

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                                  GeorgeCZ58
                                  last edited by Feb 20, 2022, 3:01 PM

                                  My setup was usualy easy . I had limiters on only 2 interfaces - one is for guests and one for mobile phones. Before update it was working corectly, now it works only till I didnt run bigger upload/speedtest etc.. Then something happen and I cannnot reach internet anymore. This is setup of limiter: ef9e9c39-bd24-4456-8f25-12feaf14cda0-obrazek.png

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                                    SteveITS Galactic Empire @GeorgeCZ58
                                    last edited by Feb 20, 2022, 3:12 PM

                                    @georgecz58 Can you remove limiters on one of the two interfaces, for testing? Or maybe disable the guest interface?

                                    I see our limiters use different schedulers…

                                    Pre-2.7.2/23.09: Only install packages for your version, or risk breaking it. Select your branch in System/Update/Update Settings.
                                    When upgrading, allow 10-15 minutes to restart, or more depending on packages and device speed.
                                    Upvote 👍 helpful posts!

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                                      thiasaef @SteveITS
                                      last edited by thiasaef Feb 20, 2022, 3:42 PM Feb 20, 2022, 3:42 PM

                                      @steveits I have limiters on both WANs (DSL & LTE) and they worked fine in 2.6.0.

                                      Does no one else have issues with the DNS Resolver in 2.6.0? For me it randomly stopped responding to requests on some network interfaces - presumably those that have been inactive for a while. The only workaround was to manually restart the DNS Resolver. So basically "upgrade success -> no internet connection" for me as well ...

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                                        amrelsaqqa @stephenw10
                                        last edited by Feb 20, 2022, 3:52 PM

                                        @stephenw10

                                        Thank you!
                                        I didn’t notice it, so could you please let me know where this mirror list is linked to?

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                                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                          last edited by Feb 20, 2022, 3:55 PM

                                          If you just click 'download' on the download page without selecting anything it will take you to the list.

                                          Steve

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