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    SG-5100 takes over 20 minutes to boot after eMMC failure

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    • johnpozJ
      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @stephenw10
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      @stephenw10 yeah... I think asking a bit much, especially at that price point, but I prob pull the trigger even that 400 something mark if it had all those features..

      A few combo ports where I could put in sfp+ would be nice too since I am dreaming ;)

      An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools
      If you get confused: Listen to the Music Play
      Please don't Chat/PM me for help, unless mod related
      SG-4860 24.11 | Lab VMs 2.7.2, 24.11

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        azdeltawye @johnpoz
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        @johnpoz said in SG-5100 takes over 20 minutes to boot after eMMC failure:

        @stephenw10 yeah... I think asking a bit much, especially at that price point, but I prob pull the trigger even that 400 something mark if it had all those features..

        A few combo ports where I could put in sfp+ would be nice too since I am dreaming ;)

        If you're already invested in the UniFi ecosystem, their switches are great. I got one of these switches awhile back and it rocks!

        https://store.ui.com/us/en/collections/unifi-switching-standard-power-over-ethernet/products/usw-24-poe

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        • johnpozJ
          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @azdeltawye
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          @azdeltawye said in SG-5100 takes over 20 minutes to boot after eMMC failure:

          heir switches are great.

          That wouldn't be my opinion to be honest.. I have had no issues with their APs.. But their switches not so much..

          Do they have such a unicorn switch - I keep up with their product line.. And everyone of their switches feature sets and operation has been underwhelming to be honest.. And a high price point..

          An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools
          If you get confused: Listen to the Music Play
          Please don't Chat/PM me for help, unless mod related
          SG-4860 24.11 | Lab VMs 2.7.2, 24.11

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          • NogBadTheBadN
            NogBadTheBad @stephenw10
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            @stephenw10 said in SG-5100 takes over 20 minutes to boot after eMMC failure:

            Yeah let me know if you find that switch. 😉

            And me.

            Andy

            1 x Netgate SG-4860 - 3 x Linksys LGS308P - 1 x Aruba InstantOn AP22

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              ms166
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              johnpoz is going for a Transcend TS128GMSA230S. I bought two Transcend TS240GMTS420S they seem to work fine, but for my others SG-5100 I wanted to choose the TS128GMTS430S (ECC enabled I belive) is there a "better" choice when choosing a SSD for the SG-5100?

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              • stephenw10S
                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                @ms166 said in SG-5100 takes over 20 minutes to boot after eMMC failure:

                TS128GMTS430S

                That should work fine. I'm not sure how you might define 'better'. You could probably find an SLC drive with better write endurance etc. But it would be waaay more expensive!

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                • LarryFahnoeL
                  LarryFahnoe
                  last edited by LarryFahnoe

                  After reading through this thread, my question is about a recommendation for an SSD for the new 4200. Also, I'm assuming that the mmc-utils mentioned https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/troubleshooting/disk-lifetime.html#emmc will work on the 4200?

                  --Larry

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                    serbus @LarryFahnoe
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                    Hello!

                    I have been using the Transcend MLC drives (MSA370, MTS400S) in builds. Their endurance specs (DWPD, TBW) seem to be much better than the 3D NAND drives.

                    John

                    Lex parsimoniae

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                    • stephenw10S
                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                      last edited by

                      It does not, at least currently, because it's also USB connected in the 4200.

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                      • LarryFahnoeL
                        LarryFahnoe
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                        Thanks @serbus and @stephenw10

                        Perhaps I should have started a new thread specific to the 4200... But since I didn't: looking for some guidance on the particulars to look for for an SSD for the 4200. The online documentation I've found thus far is thin. Netgate's 4200 web specs say "1x M.2 (M-key slot) x4 PCIe 4.0", Silicom's specs say "NVMe M.2 SSD"

                        Which form factor (for example, 2242 or 2280??) for the 4200?
                        Which interface is better for the 4200? I note that the Transcend devices mentioned are SATA III, but the thread is about the SG-5100.
                        Which version of NVMe?

                        Thoughts & opinions about different types of NAND are certainly welcome, but as I'm not well versed in these issues, pardon what may seem like basic questions.

                        I have a pair of 4200s on order and would like to get the correct SSDs so that I can install them once they arrive.

                        https://shop.netgate.com/products/4200-pfsense
                        https://www.silicom-usa.com/pr/4g-5g-products/4g-5g-appliances/valencia-network-appliance-series/

                        --Larry

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                        • stephenw10S
                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                          They are 2280 without any sort of adapter hardware. There is one M-keyed slot and one B-keyed slot. Dual keyed drives will therefore give you most flexibility.

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                          • LarryFahnoeL
                            LarryFahnoe
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                            Thank you @stephenw10, what about the interface specs (SATA III, PCIe, NVMe) or is this something that doesn't really matter given the 4200 hardware throughput capabilities and application? So for example, the Transcend SATA III M.2 SSDs vs. their PCIe M.2 SSDs?

                            --Larry

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                            • stephenw10S
                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                              last edited by

                              They are NVMe for the 4200.

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                              • LarryFahnoeL
                                LarryFahnoe
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                                Thanks Stephen.

                                --Larry

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                                  chmac @cswroe
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                                  @cswroe
                                  i did not run with the same luck, i pulled out the emmc, but didnt work again... remain dead, the com port and the leds appear to be fine, but wont boot

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                                    tjcooks4829 @hayescompatible
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                                    Add me to the list of successful chip-pullers. SG-5100 would not boot at all, no boot menu. I pried the eMMC chip off the board and it boots right up now. 👍 Installed a M.2 drive while I was in there, just installed pfSense to it and restored my config. This thing is hopefully back in service for a bunch more years.

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