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      nimrod @yorke
      last edited by

      @yorke said in Unknown 10.x.x.x address:

      pfsense 2.7.2-RELEASE

      Is this ipaddress 10.10.176.1 related to pfsense
      like pfblockerNG started seeing system/PC trying to connect to and from
      that address its ping and udp 67-68 connections I am asking because I have no
      address that starts with 10.x.x.x on lan, I created a rule to reject connection
      to 10.10.176.1 and system could not access internet unblock it and they can access the internet, pfsense has been running with no issues, the only thing that change was updateing System Patch and apply all patch.

      That is virtual ip address that pfblocker automatically created. Its essential for pfblocker to work. Do not block it.

      You can find it if you go to Firewall / Virtual IPs.

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      • GertjanG
        Gertjan @nimrod
        last edited by

        @nimrod

        Close.

        8135eb6f-c734-47fb-af83-23f1d42cf596-image.png

        It 10.10.10.1 by default.
        If @yorke changed this (not sure why he would do that, but why not, it's a free world) he wouldn't ask here "where the '10.10.176.1' comes from" .... as he, the admin, was the one putting it there in the first place.

        True is, pfSense didn't add "10.10.176.1" anywhere, it was the admin.

        No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
        Edit : and where are the logs ??

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        • stephenw10S
          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @yorke
          last edited by

          @yorke said in Unknown 10.x.x.x address:

          I created a rule to reject connection
          to 10.10.176.1 and system could not access internet unblock it and they can access the internet,

          What system could not connect? Something with an IP in that same subnet?

          Yup you can use that IP as the pfBlocker VIP but it isn't that by default.

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          • johnpozJ
            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @yorke
            last edited by

            @yorke said in Unknown 10.x.x.x address:

            that address its ping and udp 67-68 connections I am asking because I have no

            67-68 is dhcp.. where are you seeing that?

            Somebody prob connected some wifi router with that IP, and its handing out dhcp.. Maybe your using it for your wan?

            Just look at ifconfig on pfsense - what does it show for your IPs, this would show vips as well.. You can also look at your routing table - is that your gateway IP, from your wan connection...

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            • stephenw10S
              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
              last edited by

              I'd guess some client moved onto the network after previously being on that subnet somewhere else and tried to connect to it.

              However if that were the case I would not expect a block rule to to make any difference. Assuming the rule was correctly blocking only that destination.

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                yorke
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                Virtual IP Address
                10.10.10.1/32 LAN IP Alias pfB DNSBL - DO NOT EDIT

                pfblockerng is at default did not change

                seeing it as soon as computers connect pings and udp 68 67 to and from that address.

                ifconfig WAN ipaddress starts with 98
                LAN ipaddress starts with 172

                IPv4 Routes default gateway
                default 98.X.X.X UGS 15 1500 ixl3

                10.10.10.1 link#10 UH 14 16384 lo0

                Alert from Suricata rule I created

                06/24/2024
                16:58:47 3 UDP Misc activity 10.10.176.1
                67 255.255.255.255
                68 1:10000151
                🐾 Unknown Reserved Internal IP - 10.10.176.1/24 🕵

                Suricata is setup on LAN.

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                • stephenw10S
                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                  last edited by

                  Then I'd suspect a client that moved from a different WiFi network where that subnet is used and hasn't updated yet.

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                  • johnpozJ
                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @yorke
                    last edited by

                    @yorke yeah as @stephenw10 mentions - destination port 67 to broadcast address would be a request or discovery.. My guess would be request because the client prob asking for renew, ie to keep using its old IP, etc..

                    What is the mac address - track it down on your network to what it is exactly.

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                      yorke
                      last edited by

                      ip was from the wan
                      Exploit UPnP & NAT-PMP
                      disabled UPnP & NAT-PMP.

                      I would like to thank the maintainer of Suricata
                      if it was not for Suricata alerts i would not have caught this
                      thank you

                      good reason to have backups and extra drives
                      swap drives and restore backup

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                      • johnpozJ
                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @yorke
                        last edited by johnpoz

                        @yorke said in Unknown 10.x.x.x address:

                        ip was from the wan

                        Well then who cares its just noise.. Some dhcp from your isp network, or something you have upstream of pfsense - its not going to go anywhere.. Pfsense would just drop that traffic..

                        edit: I had setup a sniff while back, just looked - what do you know some dhcp traffic on the isp network.. An offer and ack.. the dhcp server in the isp network - giving someone an IP..

                        sniiffjpg.jpg

                        Relay Agent IP Address: 10.205.128.1

                        Maybe this is news to you - but ISPs use rfc1918 space in their networks ;)

                        Why anyone would run IPS on their wan anyway - are you hosting services available to the public internet? If not makes zero sense to run IPS on the wan side..

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                          yorke @johnpoz
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                          @johnpoz

                          Suricata running on the LAN always was

                          address was hitting lan
                          block address system on that
                          LAN no internet (UPnP & NAT-PMP enable).
                          unblock internet access.

                          disable UPnP & NAT-PMP no address
                          turn it back on and its back.

                          packet capture on the wan.

                          who cares I do when powershell scrip
                          is trying to gain admin access.

                          yes I do know ISPs use rfc1918 space.

                          Topic Closed Resolve

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                          • johnpozJ
                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @yorke
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                            @yorke said in Unknown 10.x.x.x address:

                            address was hitting lan

                            Then your not isolated at layer 2 between your wan an your lan.

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                            • stephenw10S
                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                              Reads to me like something keeps opening port forwards to non-existent targets using UPnP. That should show in the UPnP status though. And you should be able to see which host keeps opening then and the investigate what it's running that's doing that.

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                              • johnpozJ
                                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @stephenw10
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                                @stephenw10 possible I guess - but the traffic is broadcast, what sort of port opening or forward would forward broadcast?f

                                Who would even have UPnP enabled - if they are concerned that some powershell script is going to own him?

                                If the traffic was being seen by his lan interface lack of isolation at layer 2 between his wan and lan seems more probable to me.

                                Does your wan connection run through a switch - or just single cable to your isp device, and no other cables at all connected to the isp device?

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                                • stephenw10S
                                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                  Mmm, indeed. If you really need UPnP then lock it down to only known devices.

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