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    Unknown 10.x.x.x address

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    • stephenw10S
      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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      I'd guess some client moved onto the network after previously being on that subnet somewhere else and tried to connect to it.

      However if that were the case I would not expect a block rule to to make any difference. Assuming the rule was correctly blocking only that destination.

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        yorke
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        Virtual IP Address
        10.10.10.1/32 LAN IP Alias pfB DNSBL - DO NOT EDIT

        pfblockerng is at default did not change

        seeing it as soon as computers connect pings and udp 68 67 to and from that address.

        ifconfig WAN ipaddress starts with 98
        LAN ipaddress starts with 172

        IPv4 Routes default gateway
        default 98.X.X.X UGS 15 1500 ixl3

        10.10.10.1 link#10 UH 14 16384 lo0

        Alert from Suricata rule I created

        06/24/2024
        16:58:47 3 UDP Misc activity 10.10.176.1
        67 255.255.255.255
        68 1:10000151
        🐾 Unknown Reserved Internal IP - 10.10.176.1/24 🕵

        Suricata is setup on LAN.

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        • stephenw10S
          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
          last edited by

          Then I'd suspect a client that moved from a different WiFi network where that subnet is used and hasn't updated yet.

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          • johnpozJ
            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @yorke
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            @yorke yeah as @stephenw10 mentions - destination port 67 to broadcast address would be a request or discovery.. My guess would be request because the client prob asking for renew, ie to keep using its old IP, etc..

            What is the mac address - track it down on your network to what it is exactly.

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              yorke
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              ip was from the wan
              Exploit UPnP & NAT-PMP
              disabled UPnP & NAT-PMP.

              I would like to thank the maintainer of Suricata
              if it was not for Suricata alerts i would not have caught this
              thank you

              good reason to have backups and extra drives
              swap drives and restore backup

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              • johnpozJ
                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @yorke
                last edited by johnpoz

                @yorke said in Unknown 10.x.x.x address:

                ip was from the wan

                Well then who cares its just noise.. Some dhcp from your isp network, or something you have upstream of pfsense - its not going to go anywhere.. Pfsense would just drop that traffic..

                edit: I had setup a sniff while back, just looked - what do you know some dhcp traffic on the isp network.. An offer and ack.. the dhcp server in the isp network - giving someone an IP..

                sniiffjpg.jpg

                Relay Agent IP Address: 10.205.128.1

                Maybe this is news to you - but ISPs use rfc1918 space in their networks ;)

                Why anyone would run IPS on their wan anyway - are you hosting services available to the public internet? If not makes zero sense to run IPS on the wan side..

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                  yorke @johnpoz
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                  @johnpoz

                  Suricata running on the LAN always was

                  address was hitting lan
                  block address system on that
                  LAN no internet (UPnP & NAT-PMP enable).
                  unblock internet access.

                  disable UPnP & NAT-PMP no address
                  turn it back on and its back.

                  packet capture on the wan.

                  who cares I do when powershell scrip
                  is trying to gain admin access.

                  yes I do know ISPs use rfc1918 space.

                  Topic Closed Resolve

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                  • johnpozJ
                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @yorke
                    last edited by

                    @yorke said in Unknown 10.x.x.x address:

                    address was hitting lan

                    Then your not isolated at layer 2 between your wan an your lan.

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                    • stephenw10S
                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                      last edited by

                      Reads to me like something keeps opening port forwards to non-existent targets using UPnP. That should show in the UPnP status though. And you should be able to see which host keeps opening then and the investigate what it's running that's doing that.

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                      • johnpozJ
                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @stephenw10
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                        @stephenw10 possible I guess - but the traffic is broadcast, what sort of port opening or forward would forward broadcast?f

                        Who would even have UPnP enabled - if they are concerned that some powershell script is going to own him?

                        If the traffic was being seen by his lan interface lack of isolation at layer 2 between his wan and lan seems more probable to me.

                        Does your wan connection run through a switch - or just single cable to your isp device, and no other cables at all connected to the isp device?

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                        • stephenw10S
                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                          last edited by

                          Mmm, indeed. If you really need UPnP then lock it down to only known devices.

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