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      diyhouse @VioletDragon
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      @VioletDragon said in WAN periodically Rebooting:

      What wall socket are you using?

      I believe I am still using and 'old' wall socket,.. it was installed 3 or 4 yrs ago,..
      I have heard spoken to a BT Openreach person,.. and he was saying that I don't need a filter any more as the PSTN stuff has been switched off...
      Is this true?

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        diyhouse @stephenw10
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        @stephenw10 Current network speed is of the 24Mbps down 9Mbps Up....

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          VioletDragon @diyhouse
          last edited by VioletDragon

          @diyhouse Depends on the Faceplate / Master Socket. You don't need the filter if you are using the MK4 Master Socket.

          I have replaced a ton of the old type wall sockets for clients as they are not good enough for VDSL, the filters are built into the MK4. I recommend looking into replacing the old Master Sockets with the new MK4. then use a RJ45 to RJ12 cabling is a lot better than the flat BT Spec DSL cable.

          Going with the new faceplate will help out a lot with poor speeds and WAN dropping out.

          New Faceplate,
          s-l1600.jpeg

          Old wallsocket,

          s-l16001.jpeg

          Regards

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            diyhouse @VioletDragon
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            @VioletDragon
            Yep this is my config, socket wise
            20240913_185119.jpg 20240913_185127.jpg

            So Old config then...

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            • VioletDragonV
              VioletDragon @diyhouse
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              @diyhouse Yep I would look at replacing the socket as at that is a more modern faceplate you can just replace the faceplate for the MK4 then run a Ethernet cable with a RJ45 to RJ12. I need to make some more. I use Cat6a then just crimp them.

              In some cases BT won't replace them if they send BT guys out but it's a 3rd party working on behalf of BT then they will. You can buy the faceplate off ebay with the backbox for cheap.

              Regards

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              • stephenw10S
                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                Yup no face plate leaves you open to some hidden extension connected without a filter. Possibly.

                Also most of those filters might be rated for ADSL only.

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                  VioletDragon @stephenw10
                  last edited by VioletDragon

                  @stephenw10 Yeah I don't understand why BT don't replace them when customers upgrade to VDSL, I guess they just want a easy life.

                  Regards

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                  • stephenw10S
                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                    last edited by

                    Just to be clear you wouldn't need to replace the master socket itself there. Just the faceplate on the front that has the filter in it. If you don't have a bunch or hardwired extensions it's pretty easy.

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                      diyhouse @stephenw10
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                      @stephenw10
                      Ah yes,.. for me no hidden extensions,.. and complete socket assembly available on ebay for £7.00
                      thanks guys...

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                      • VioletDragonV
                        VioletDragon @diyhouse
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                        @diyhouse You can also buy DSL cables which have RJ45 to RJ12 on eBay too. I would post a link but not sure if you are allowed.

                        Good luck,

                        Regards.

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                        • stephenw10S
                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                          Hmm, you mean RJ12 or RJ11? Also I'm not sure where you would use that. The normal xDSL connection uses a cable that has RJ11 at both ends to connect between the modem and faceplate. Even if it has an RJ45 socket you can still use an RJ11 plug in it.

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                          • VioletDragonV
                            VioletDragon @stephenw10
                            last edited by VioletDragon

                            @stephenw10 You can use either, only difference with a RJ12 is it has more pins and a bigger Opening for the sheave for the Solid Core Cabling. RJ12 will fit in a RJ11 Port on the Modem or Router.

                            RJ45 from Wall socket to RJ12/11 to the Modem. Using Ethernet cabling for the DSL cable improves the connection speed too.

                            Regards

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                            • stephenw10S
                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                              Mmm, that could be true if it's a long run I guess. I was never able to see any difference here but compared to length of cable I have to the cabinet it's pretty insignificant.

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                                diyhouse @stephenw10
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                                @stephenw10
                                Hi guys,. New face plate etc ordered.. due end of the week...

                                2023 Openreach Telephone Master Socket NTE5c MK2 & VDSL/ADSL MK4-Faceplate only

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                                  diyhouse @diyhouse
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                                  @diyhouse Whilst waiting for filter,. can anyone clarify which mode I should run in,...as I can sort of see arguments for both.

                                  DraytekMode.png

                                  I will set the MTU 1492,.. when I reconnect..
                                  Many Tx

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                                  • stephenw10S
                                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                    last edited by

                                    Yup you want modem/bridge mode there.

                                    In router mode you end up with a private IP on pfSense and the Draytek does the PPPoE session, NAT and routing etc.

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                                      diyhouse @stephenw10
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                                      @stephenw10 Thanks for that Stephen,.. Just wondered,.. and your feedback eliminates one of my unknowns ( I'm not sure )...

                                      MK4 Openreach box arrived today,.. had to have a nose inside,.. so for those interested,.. here it is.

                                      20240918_163240.jpg

                                      One other question,.. the cable connections,.. I found this,.. is this correct,.. and if so which do I make the twisted pairs,.. as this will effect the noise quality etc?
                                      Many tx

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                                      • stephenw10S
                                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                        last edited by

                                        You can almost certainly use the cable you already have that you were connecting to the filter.

                                        You can connect an RJ11/RJ12 plug into an RJ45 socket, it just uses the central 4 pins.

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                                          diyhouse @stephenw10
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                                          @stephenw10 Update:- Checked speed on Sunday 22nd Sept,.. and surprisingly my upload and download speeds had gone back up to 71/10Mbps... I assume this is due to BTs learning what the max speed possible is on a line,..
                                          As of approx. 1hr ago I installed the new BT MK4 filter, with my new lead ( using some CAT5e cable approx. 2m ),.. I essentially followed the guidance on this
                                          YouTube video,.. yes he will sell a lead to you,.. but it is useful for which pins to use,.. and how best to wire RJ45 to RJ12...
                                          I did put a squirt of WD40 on the connection pins,.. as they may get damp in the loft,.. and to my way of thinking it keeps the contacts from corroding...
                                          TAFNF.. we will see how long connectivity stays up...

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                                          • VioletDragonV
                                            VioletDragon @diyhouse
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                                            @diyhouse My Mate Vince, use to have a eBay shop but then doesn't do that much these days, I just terminate the Ethernet cable with RJ45 to RJ12 myself. I make them for folk too but not made any since as been a tad busy.

                                            10Mbps up that's a bit slow, My DSL connection with BT Business & Zen Business I get 20mbps up. This also depends how far you are away from the Cab too.

                                            Regards

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