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      bhawk6901
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      @stephenw10:

      I'm surprised you're seeing 120Mbps from an older Atom.
      Jim posted some numbers for an IPSec tunnel between an FW-7551 and a C2758:
      https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=81862.msg471933#msg471933

      Steve

      my bad, it was about 65 mbps
      @heper:

      it'll probably depend on the type of VPN.

      -if you wish to accomplish this with openvpn then you $1k budget might be on the low-end if you wish this to be in a 19" appliance type of device. (openvpn needs lots of cpu power or hardware crypto card = i5/i7/xeonE5 ish)

      -recently there have been huge performance gains when using IPSEC by enabling AES-NI (freebsd & pfsense & netgate worked together to get this working in 2.2 … )
      http://store.pfsense.org/c2758/  <– high-end model that should probably do more then 300mbit ipsec with AES-NI (ask for confirmation at pfsense-devs )

      How much will an i3/i5 setup cost approx?

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        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
        last edited by

        That seems closer to what I'd expect.  ;)

        Is is just the VPN speed you're looking for?
        The FW-7551 and its successor are a lot less than $1000.
        http://store.pfsense.org/SG2440/

        Steve

        Edit: Rogue apostrophe

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          maturola
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          @bhawk6901:

          How much will an i3/i5 setup cost approx?

          your budget is fine, I would go this rout >>

          Get you something like this mobo

          SUPERMICRO MBD-X10SLM-F-O

          With an i3 or even a Xeon (E3-1220V3)

          and you will have nothing to worry about for 3 to 5 years.

          (Those 2 + Memories, rackmount case, Supply should get you right around your budget)

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            bhawk6901
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            @maturola:

            @bhawk6901:

            How much will an i3/i5 setup cost approx?

            your budget is fine, I would go this rout >>

            Get you something like this mobo

            SUPERMICRO MBD-X10SLM-F-O

            With an i3 or even a Xeon (E3-1220V3)

            and you will have nothing to worry about for 3 to 5 years.

            (Those 2 + Memories, rackmount case, Supply should get you right around your budget)

            Thanks for the suggestions :)
            Will try to go with xeon budget permitting
            Main issue currently is finding a mini itx board having 4 NICs that can fit in the soekris casing or something similar of the size  (have to say its beautiful :P)

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              maturola
              last edited by

              @bhawk6901:

              Thanks for the suggestions :)
              Will try to go with xeon budget permitting
              Main issue currently is finding a mini itx board having 4 NICs that can fit in the soekris casing or something similar of the size  (have to say its beautiful :P)

              SUPERMICRO MBD-A1SRi-2758F-O is mini ITX with Quad Intel Ethernet, this one have a 8-Core Atom (C2758). Not sure if it will fix the case you refer to.

              You can also find it with an i7 (SUPERMICRO MBD-X9SPV-M4-3UE-O)

              Or you can add a Quad Intel Nic on PCIe slot to any of the mini ITX LGA1150 boards.

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                messerchmidt
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                @maturola:

                @bhawk6901:

                Thanks for the suggestions :)
                Will try to go with xeon budget permitting
                Main issue currently is finding a mini itx board having 4 NICs that can fit in the soekris casing or something similar of the size  (have to say its beautiful :P)

                SUPERMICRO MBD-A1SRi-2758F-O is mini ITX with Quad Intel Ethernet, this one have a 8-Core Atom (C2758). Not sure if it will fix the case you refer to.

                You can also find it with an i7 (SUPERMICRO MBD-X9SPV-M4-3UE-O)

                Or you can add a Quad Intel Nic on PCIe slot to any of the mini ITX LGA1150 boards.

                if your total budget is 1000$, that is going to be difficult for 8 offices. if about 1000$ per office, than go with the above setup to be problem free. use ecc ram

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                  maturola
                  last edited by

                  @messerchmidt:

                  @maturola:

                  @bhawk6901:

                  Thanks for the suggestions :)
                  Will try to go with xeon budget permitting
                  Main issue currently is finding a mini itx board having 4 NICs that can fit in the soekris casing or something similar of the size  (have to say its beautiful :P)

                  SUPERMICRO MBD-A1SRi-2758F-O is mini ITX with Quad Intel Ethernet, this one have a 8-Core Atom (C2758). Not sure if it will fix the case you refer to.

                  You can also find it with an i7 (SUPERMICRO MBD-X9SPV-M4-3UE-O)

                  Or you can add a Quad Intel Nic on PCIe slot to any of the mini ITX LGA1150 boards.

                  if your total budget is 1000$, that is going to be difficult for 8 offices. if about 1000$ per office, than go with the above setup to be problem free. use ecc ram

                  Oh, maybe I misunderstood the OP, I thought the 1K budget was for the VPN server / File server host, not all the 8 offices. I thought the offices will be clients. 1K over those 8 offices would be $125 per office…? no way you will find anything for $125

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                    bhawk6901
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                    @messerchmidt:

                    @maturola:

                    @bhawk6901:

                    Thanks for the suggestions :)
                    Will try to go with xeon budget permitting
                    Main issue currently is finding a mini itx board having 4 NICs that can fit in the soekris casing or something similar of the size  (have to say its beautiful :P)

                    SUPERMICRO MBD-A1SRi-2758F-O is mini ITX with Quad Intel Ethernet, this one have a 8-Core Atom (C2758). Not sure if it will fix the case you refer to.

                    You can also find it with an i7 (SUPERMICRO MBD-X9SPV-M4-3UE-O)

                    Or you can add a Quad Intel Nic on PCIe slot to any of the mini ITX LGA1150 boards.

                    if your total budget is 1000$, that is going to be difficult for 8 offices. if about 1000$ per office, than go with the above setup to be problem free. use ecc ram

                    Thanks for the suggestions
                    That 3rd gen seems very good.
                    we have 1000$ per office budget.
                    Last thing is to get  a small 1u casing. Any suggestions regarding that will be greatly appreciated

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                      maturola
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                      @bhawk6901:

                      Thanks for the suggestions
                      That 3rd gen seems very good.
                      we have 1000$ per office budget.
                      Last thing is to get  a small 1u casing. Any suggestions regarding that will be greatly appreciated

                      Check out SUPERMICRO SuperChassis CSE-512L-200B

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                        bhawk6901
                        last edited by

                        @maturola:

                        @bhawk6901:

                        Thanks for the suggestions
                        That 3rd gen seems very good.
                        we have 1000$ per office budget.
                        Last thing is to get  a small 1u casing. Any suggestions regarding that will be greatly appreciated

                        Check out SUPERMICRO SuperChassis CSE-512L-200B

                        Thanks but looking for something smaller like the soekris casings please

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                          maturola
                          last edited by

                          @bhawk6901:

                          Thanks but looking for something smaller like the soekris casings please

                          You said 1U… that's 1U

                          soekris casings re custom, not sure there is anything out there that would fit a ITX formfactor

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                            bhawk6901
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                            http://uk.farnell.com/schroff/20860-120/case-19-inches-1u-220mm-steel/dp/1455923
                            this is one that i found not sure if it would fit properly though
                            Secondly. would 4 GB ram suffice? And what brand should i go for

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                              foetus
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                              Supermicro has low depth cases for mini itx bundled with PSU's.

                              So if you are going that route I would not use a CSE-512L-200B a suggested above, but a CSE-503L-200B : http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/1U/503/SC503L-200.cfm
                              Remember you need a fan assembly, and HDD cage if you are not going to hotglue everything :). These things are also not super quiet. Especially if you use the official fan.

                              It has the depth of general non enterprise switches. And is 1U. I use them even in small 6U mini racks without issue.
                              I have no idea why you would want to use custom steel cases? The time you need to cut ports in them alone, if you factor in time/cost is ridiculous.
                              Akasa will some day have very nice passive cases. If they ever release them : http://www.akasa.com.tw/update.php?tpl=product/product.detail.tpl&no=181&type=Fanless%20Chassis&type_sub=Fanless%20Mini%20ITX&model=A-ITX17-M1B

                              Supermicro RMA support is twitchy. So prepare to stock 1 extra 'in case'. Seeing your budget, you should have enough left to buy a 9th setup as a spare.
                              An A1SRi 2758 / 8GB ECC / SSD / case should be well within 1k.

                              Of course, for your speed requirements. I see no reason why not go the official store route - and support your favorite Firewall Appliance?
                              http://store.pfsense.org/SG4860/

                              Has everything you could ever want. Smaller form factor if for some reason you want that. Lower power use, passive. 6 ports.
                              And currently will already do several hundred Mbps VPN tunnels with improvements on the way.

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                                mir
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                                You will get more bang for the bug buying this one: http://www.xcase.co.uk/1u-rackmount-server-cases/x-case-itx-19-02-1u-rackmount-short-29-95-x-case.html

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                                  bhawk6901
                                  last edited by

                                  @foetus:

                                  Supermicro has low depth cases for mini itx bundled with PSU's.

                                  So if you are going that route I would not use a CSE-512L-200B a suggested above, but a CSE-503L-200B : http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/1U/503/SC503L-200.cfm
                                  Remember you need a fan assembly, and HDD cage if you are not going to hotglue everything :). These things are also not super quiet. Especially if you use the official fan.

                                  It has the depth of general non enterprise switches. And is 1U. I use them even in small 6U mini racks without issue.
                                  I have no idea why you would want to use custom steel cases? The time you need to cut ports in them alone, if you factor in time/cost is ridiculous.
                                  Akasa will some day have very nice passive cases. If they ever release them : http://www.akasa.com.tw/update.php?tpl=product/product.detail.tpl&no=181&type=Fanless%20Chassis&type_sub=Fanless%20Mini%20ITX&model=A-ITX17-M1B

                                  Supermicro RMA support is twitchy. So prepare to stock 1 extra 'in case'. Seeing your budget, you should have enough left to buy a 9th setup as a spare.
                                  An A1SRi 2758 / 8GB ECC / SSD / case should be well within 1k.

                                  Of course, for your speed requirements. I see no reason why not go the official store route - and support your favorite Firewall Appliance?
                                  http://store.pfsense.org/SG4860/

                                  Has everything you could ever want. Smaller form factor if for some reason you want that. Lower power use, passive. 6 ports.
                                  And currently will already do several hundred Mbps VPN tunnels with improvements on the way.

                                  Thanks a lot for your detailed reply
                                  I guess il go for 503L in the end :)
                                  ECC RAM is the only thing left i think so any suggestions fir that?

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                                    foetus
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                                    made an error !  enclosure is 505-203b : http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/1U/505/SC505-203.cfm
                                    front panel layout is totally different (and wrong..) with a 503.

                                    I often just use Kingston 1.35v ECC non buffered without any errors. But if you want to be sure 100% Supermicro has a supported memory list at the spec page of the motherbord.

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                                      bhawk6901
                                      last edited by

                                      @maturola:

                                      @bhawk6901:

                                      Thanks for the suggestions :)
                                      Will try to go with xeon budget permitting
                                      Main issue currently is finding a mini itx board having 4 NICs that can fit in the soekris casing or something similar of the size  (have to say its beautiful :P)

                                      SUPERMICRO MBD-A1SRi-2758F-O is mini ITX with Quad Intel Ethernet, this one have a 8-Core Atom (C2758). Not sure if it will fix the case you refer to.

                                      You can also find it with an i7 (SUPERMICRO MBD-X9SPV-M4-3UE-O)

                                      Or you can add a Quad Intel Nic on PCIe slot to any of the mini ITX LGA1150 boards.

                                      Can anyone please confirm  if (SUPERMICRO MBD-X9SPV-M4-3UE-O runs freebsd? Checked the os compatibility chart on supermicro site but cant seem to find freebsd for this specific model

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                                        edwardwong
                                        last edited by

                                        @bhawk6901:

                                        http://uk.farnell.com/schroff/20860-120/case-19-inches-1u-220mm-steel/dp/1455923
                                        this is one that i found not sure if it would fit properly though
                                        Secondly. would 4 GB ram suffice? And what brand should i go for

                                        4GB ram would be more than enough if you don't need anything other than VPN.

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                                          Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
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                                          With an $8000 budget I'd get 1 (or 2) C2758s from pfSense or Netgate for the central site and RCC-VE 2440s for the satellites.  $4,443 (with 2 C2758s in HA) from Netgate, - half your budget - and it'll scream and will all have QuickAssist and AES-NI for future versions.  Plenty of budget to add things like 30GB mSATAs to the satellite routers, upgrade switches, etc.

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                                            bhawk6901
                                            last edited by

                                            @Derelict:

                                            With an $8000 budget I'd get 1 (or 2) C2758s from pfSense or Netgate for the central site and RCC-VE 2440s for the satellites.  $4,443 (with 2 C2758s in HA) from Netgate, - half your budget - and it'll scream and will all have QuickAssist and AES-NI for future versions.  Plenty of budget to add things like 30GB mSATAs to the satellite routers, upgrade switches, etc.

                                            Cant see how a 2758 would be better than i7 3517  :-\

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