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    Pfsense directly connected to fiber dsl (No modem)

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      samyboyz
      last edited by

      Thanks for your reply, basically i found out that the previous tech had disabled GUI access, all i did was restore his "working" backup, reset password as i did not have it and reset LAN to whatever value we've always been using and it still doesn't work. I don't get it…makes no sense :(

      @Grimson:

      Open a shell and use:

      sockstat -l | grep nginx
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        samyboyz
        last edited by

        Alright, this is weird :(

        The pfsense router worked fine with no modem just connected directly to Bell's Fibe Service via rj45 until i solely unplugged it, i managed to get it to work with a modem at my house but not at my customer's with no modem..

        I purchased an RJ11 to RJ45 adapter as i only have an RJ11 input at my house and i need an RJ45 to test pfsense without a modem..would this work?

        Please see attachments for VLAN settings pertaining to bypassing the modem..does anything look off? Thx :)

        ![Screen Shot 10-26-17 at 10.35 PM.PNG](/public/imported_attachments/1/Screen Shot 10-26-17 at 10.35 PM.PNG)
        ![Screen Shot 10-26-17 at 10.35 PM.PNG_thumb](/public/imported_attachments/1/Screen Shot 10-26-17 at 10.35 PM.PNG_thumb)
        ![Screen Shot 10-26-17 at 10.40 PM.PNG](/public/imported_attachments/1/Screen Shot 10-26-17 at 10.40 PM.PNG)
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        • DerelictD Offline
          Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
          last edited by

          RJ11? RJ45?

          It is either ethernet or it is not. If you need a modem to bridge from the ISP service to Ethernet then, no, pfSense cannot be used without the modem.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIA/EIA-568

          Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
          A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
          DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
          Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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            samyboyz
            last edited by

            I saw it working with no modem, evem took it offline and brought it to my place for testing. They had an rj45 cable coming im from bell.

            I agree that my attempt to replicate via rj11 to rj45 adapter made no sense lol anyhow, at this point the setup no longer works at the customer's.. while i only changed the dsl user name and password as the provider changed it meanwhile.

            Any suggestions? Previous tech got it working apprently :(

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            • DerelictD Offline
              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
              last edited by

              Need cooperation with the ISP. Sounds like you need good ethernet connectivity to the ISP device. Not really a pfSense problem. I would get with the ISP.

              Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
              A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
              DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
              Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                samyboyz
                last edited by

                Unfortunately bell's tech support personnel say it can't be done (connection without dsl modem) but i know it can, cause i saw it working..i'm bout to give up and install the modem i guess.

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                • DerelictD Offline
                  Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                  last edited by

                  If it works with ethernet directly-connected then you just need to get it directly-connected via ethernet.

                  Again, pfSense has nothing to do with Layer 1.

                  Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                  A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                  DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                  Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                    samyboyz
                    last edited by

                    I've attached the pictures of what was working which is no longer working without any changes made.. any suggestions?

                    @Derelict:

                    If it works with ethernet directly-connected then you just need to get it directly-connected via ethernet.

                    Again, pfSense has nothing to do with Layer 1.

                    ![Screen Shot 10-26-17 at 10.40 PM.PNG](/public/imported_attachments/1/Screen Shot 10-26-17 at 10.40 PM.PNG)
                    ![Screen Shot 10-26-17 at 10.40 PM.PNG_thumb](/public/imported_attachments/1/Screen Shot 10-26-17 at 10.40 PM.PNG_thumb)
                    ![Screen Shot 10-26-17 at 10.35 PM.PNG](/public/imported_attachments/1/Screen Shot 10-26-17 at 10.35 PM.PNG)
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                    • DerelictD Offline
                      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                      last edited by

                      What version of pfSense?

                      https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/7981

                      Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                      A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                      DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                      Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                        samyboyz
                        last edited by

                        I could not get it working on 2.3.4 after only unplugging the unit for a few weeks, no changes made.

                        I'm not on 2.4.1 but have not tested.

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                        • DerelictD Offline
                          Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                          last edited by

                          As long as you are on 2.3.4 it does not apply. Not sure what to tell you there. Check your PPP logs for anything that looks like it is not working.

                          Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                          A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                          DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                          Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                            samyboyz
                            last edited by

                            Ok thanks :)

                            So basically i can bypass the modem and PPPoe into Bell's DSL service with pfsense providing my setup is accurate right?

                            Also, at home i have an RJ11 phone input thus cannot do testing before bringing in the router to the customer's is there a workaround to convert RJ11 to RJ45? I tried an adapter but it didn't work (pretty stupid of me i know lol)

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                            • DerelictD Offline
                              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                              last edited by

                              It is ethernet or it is not. Whatever wiring is terminated with an RJ11 is almost always not ethernet.

                              Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                              A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                              DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                              Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                samyboyz
                                last edited by

                                Agreed, i was just hoping there was a way to test the setup at home where i only have an rj11 input.

                                @Derelict:

                                It is ethernet or it is not. Whatever wiring is terminated with an RJ11 is almost always not ethernet.

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                                • DerelictD Offline
                                  Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                  last edited by

                                  You need ethernet to connect to pfSense. It has nothing to do with what jack is terminated, though RJ11 is pretty much never ethernet.

                                  Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                                  A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                                  DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                                  Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                    samyboyz
                                    last edited by

                                    Ok got it to work with NO MODEM by upgrading to latest release..and the following settings (attached in jpeg) for those interested in a solution.

                                    ![Screen Shot 10-26-17 at 10.35 PM.PNG](/public/imported_attachments/1/Screen Shot 10-26-17 at 10.35 PM.PNG)
                                    ![Screen Shot 10-26-17 at 10.35 PM.PNG_thumb](/public/imported_attachments/1/Screen Shot 10-26-17 at 10.35 PM.PNG_thumb)
                                    ![Screen Shot 10-26-17 at 10.40 PM.PNG](/public/imported_attachments/1/Screen Shot 10-26-17 at 10.40 PM.PNG)
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                                      breakaway
                                      last edited by

                                      What version were you using before upgrading to the "latest" one?

                                      Version 2.4.1 was shipped with serious faults - if you have a PPPoE assigned to VLAN port (as you have done), then it wouldn't connect.

                                      I wonder if this was why you had such trouble getting it working.

                                      Caught me out for a few days. I don't normally read every release note for every system I use so I guess this is my fault  :)

                                      Here's a discussion about it: https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=138804.0

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                                        samyboyz
                                        last edited by

                                        Currently I have 2.4.2 installed, i might have had another issue prior. Now i have another issue, basically i'm capped at 100Mbps whereas the DSL service is 250Mbps Up & Down. My NICs are both gigabit so i'm wondering what is causing the loss of performance? Could it be the PCs specs? Duo Core..

                                        Thanks again for all your help :)

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