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      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Cool_Corona
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      @cool_corona said in Google.com blocked but local google domains are not....:

      I can visit google.com but search doesnt work. Results dont show.

      How do you think this is a pfsense thing? You understand when you go to google.. Your inside a https tunnel.

      Pfsense has zero idea what your doing in this tunnel.. Pfsense is not stopping you from searching google. It could stop you from getting to google.. But once your there - what you do there is not something pfsense has any control over..

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        Cool_Corona @johnpoz
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        @johnpoz said in Google.com blocked but local google domains are not....:

        @cool_corona said in Google.com blocked but local google domains are not....:

        I can visit google.com but search doesnt work. Results dont show.

        How do you think this is a pfsense thing? You understand when you go to google.. Your inside a https tunnel.

        Pfsense has zero idea what your doing in this tunnel.. Pfsense is not stopping you from searching google. It could stop you from getting to google.. But once your there - what you do there is not something pfsense has any control over..

        Thank you. It works when pfsense is not a part of the equation. On a local pc on an ASUS RT-AX88U it works like a charm.

        Switching to pfsense, it does not. Same pc, same settings.

        So you tell me.

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          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Cool_Corona
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          @cool_corona said in Google.com blocked but local google domains are not....:

          On a local pc on an ASUS RT-AX88U it works like a charm.

          Then use that.. Lets go over this again... Pfsense has NO freaking clue what your doing inside a https tunnel.

          Are you doing mitm with pfsense? Are you running proxy? I know for sure your not doing that with your asus router.

          Lets actually see this problem - go to google and search something.. What happens..

          Your IP would be different using your asus router vs pfsense - maybe google is blocking you?

          How would pfsense know that google.com (ipX) intercept internal traffic inside this https via "magic"?? going to google.tld (ipY) don't intercept the search via "magic"

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          • stephenw10S Offline
            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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            Mmm, it could be Google blocking you. ๐Ÿ˜‰
            Though they usually throw an error at you when they do that.

            I imagine it could be some subdomain you are blocking somehow.

            Steve

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              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @stephenw10
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              Maybe he is blocking the captcha they would present him in some browser tool?

              But what he is saying is happening has nothing to do with pfsense.

              When you go to google.com and search sonething - its inside a tunnel.. You do not get redirected to some other url/IP for the answer to your query.

              sniff it - what do you see.. You going to ipX.. and then traffic flow..

              How would pfsense just kill off the search results inside this https tunnel? Sniff show if connection is being reset? Having connectivity issues - lots of retrans? But pfsense isn't going to go inside this https tunnel and say oh your searching - kill this connection..

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                The content of the google search results page does not come only from www.google.com or from one IP. I could certainly imagine it blocking partially.
                I would expect the page to fail to load correctly before the search results also. But I could imagine it failing like this with the right sub domain blocked. I've never tried. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                  Cool_Corona @stephenw10
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                  @stephenw10 said in Google.com blocked but local google domains are not....:

                  The content of the google search results page does not come only from www.google.com or from one IP. I could certainly imagine it blocking partially.
                  I would expect the page to fail to load correctly before the search results also. But I could imagine it failing like this with the right sub domain blocked. I've never tried. ๐Ÿ˜‰

                  I have no clue since its very odd.

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                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @stephenw10
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                    Fire up web developer in firefox.. What is not loading exactly..

                    I agree stuff from your results could be hosted elsewhere - images and stuff.

                    But the overall results are returned via the same tunnel you opened to go to www.google.com

                    Lets see this when you go to google and then search..

                    stuffblocked.png

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                      Yup, exactly. Do that ^.
                      It should be pretty obvious what's failing load.

                      Steve

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                        Cool_Corona @stephenw10
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                        @stephenw10

                        I have made a video....

                        Here you go (link)

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                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Cool_Corona
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                          So your not going to google at all..

                          That is not what you stated..

                          Can you even resolve www.google.com

                          I can visit google.com but search doesnt work.

                          No your not visiting google.com at all..

                          Try and ping www.google.com, do you even get an IP back?

                          $ ping www.google.com                                                
                                                                                               
                          Pinging www.google.com [216.58.192.164] with 32 bytes of data:       
                          Reply from 216.58.192.164: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=117                 
                          Reply from 216.58.192.164: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=117                
                                                                                               
                          

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                            @johnpoz said in Google.com blocked but local google domains are not....:

                            So your not going to google at all..

                            That is not what you stated..

                            Can you even resolve www.google.com

                            I can visit google.com but search doesnt work.

                            No your not visiting google.com at all..

                            Try and ping www.google.com, do you even get an IP back?

                            $ ping www.google.com                                                
                                                                                                 
                            Pinging www.google.com [216.58.192.164] with 32 bytes of data:       
                            Reply from 216.58.192.164: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=117                 
                            Reply from 216.58.192.164: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=117                
                                                                                                 
                            

                            I am and its resolvable

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                              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Cool_Corona
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                              google.com is not www.google.com

                              Pinging google.com [216.58.192.206] with 32 bytes of data:
                              Reply from 216.58.192.206: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=116
                              
                              Pinging www.google.com [172.217.164.100] with 32 bytes of data:
                              Reply from 172.217.164.100: bytes=32 time=72ms TTL=111
                              

                              Your get in your "video" is for www.google.com

                              google.png

                              When fails...

                              You never WENT to www.google.com - you did a search in firefox browser... You didn't load www.google.com in your browser like I show in my example.

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                                @johnpoz said in Google.com blocked but local google domains are not....:

                                google.com is not www.google.com

                                Pinging google.com [216.58.192.206] with 32 bytes of data:
                                Reply from 216.58.192.206: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=116
                                
                                Pinging www.google.com [172.217.164.100] with 32 bytes of data:
                                Reply from 172.217.164.100: bytes=32 time=72ms TTL=111
                                

                                Your get in your "video" is for www.google.com

                                google.png

                                When fails...

                                You never WENT to www.google.com - you did a search in firefox browser... You didn't load www.google.com in your browser like I show in my example.

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                                The search from FF times out when searching www.google.com. When I visit www.google.com from the browser it works fine.

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                                  This is what I get when searching from FF on a startpage....

                                  This is what I get if I type www.google.com directly

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                                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Cool_Corona
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                                    Where is that working - I see a get.. I don't see the OK (200) response. Where is the rest of what that would show if you actually went there and pulled data.. Again see my example.

                                    I want nothing more than to help you figure out what the problem is.. But I fail to understand why this has to be like pulling teeth with a pair of chopsticks..

                                    Here is a simple test.. do a fetch www.google.com from pfsense. Look what you get..

                                    fetch.png

                                    Then do the same test from something behind pfsense.. If pfsense works but your machine is not..

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                                      Cool_Corona @johnpoz
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                                      @johnpoz said in Google.com blocked but local google domains are not....:

                                      Where is that working - I see a get.. I don't see the OK (200) response. Where is the rest of what that would show if you actually went there and pulled data.. Again see my example.

                                      I want nothing more than to help you figure out what the problem is.. But I fail to understand why this has to be like pulling teeth with a pair of chopsticks..

                                      Here is a simple test.. do a fetch www.google.com from pfsense. Look what you get..

                                      fetch.png

                                      I know but I dont get anymore than that as a reply and then it times out.

                                      Looking a local google domains, its not a problem

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                                      • stephenw10S Offline
                                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                        If you get no response from www.google.com then how does it work when you visit the page?

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                                          Cool_Corona @stephenw10
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                                          @stephenw10

                                          I get this from pfsense

                                          fetch: https://www.google.com: No route to host

                                          I cant visit the page. I get no reply.

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                                          Everything else than .com works flawlessly

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                                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                            last edited by stephenw10

                                            Ah, so a routing problem.

                                            Run host www.google.com and show us your routing table.

                                            Though you see to be able to ping it..... but maybe not from pfSense itself.

                                            Steve

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