@bob-dig
yes destination is internet.

So this is why I get the NAT3 on the ps4 right?
in short, because the vlan's gateway is not exposed to internet but is behind the wan.. right?

sorry what you mean with If the destination is at your place then number 3
another vlan or the lan?

thanks again

This seems connected to this issue
https://forum.netgate.com/topic/114786/pppoe-disconnects-requiring-reboot/2