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    Pfsense directly connected to fiber dsl (No modem)

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      samyboyz
      last edited by

      Hi!

      I just took over a new customer who had pfsense setup as their router, previous tech left on bad terms and did not provide password, i reset the password and got in. I had to wipe the LAN connection as for some reason i could not obtain a valid IP. Finally got that working and hit the GUI, at this point i must have deleted the setup for WAN as i can no longer get the internet to work :(

      This customer was connected directly via a network card Bell's fiber box without a DSL modem thus am not sure if i use PPPoe with customer's DSL credentials (does not work) or another method since he doesn't use a modem…I tried setting up a modem / pppoe from my office and it worked, but i also tried with his modem and his credentials and it did not!

      Please help! Thanks

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        heper
        last edited by

        Restore a config from before you deleted the wan configuration… That's why they are there

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          remlei
          last edited by

          I assume it requires additional setting like VLAN to get connect to the internet.

          tl;dr contact your ISP, they know better how to solve this than us except without pfsense since you cant even make the thing work even with his own ISP issued router.

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            samyboyz
            last edited by

            Are backups done automatically?

            @heper:

            Restore a config from before you deleted the wan configuration… That's why they are there

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            • GertjanG
              Gertjan
              last edited by

              @samyboyz:

              Are backups done automatically?

              @heper:

              Restore a config from before you deleted the wan configuration… That's why they are there

              Check them out : Login to console access and use option 15.

              But normally, an ancient law applies : when applying major changes to a system, current settings are recorded first (by the operator)

              No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
              Edit : and where are the logs ??

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              • pttP
                ptt Rebel Alliance
                last edited by

                @samyboyz:

                Finally got that working and hit the GUI, at this point i must have deleted the setup for WAN as i can no longer get the internet to work :(

                @samyboyz:

                Are backups done automatically?

                https://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/Configuration_Backup_and_Restore

                https://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/Configuration_History

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                  sjt
                  last edited by

                  I second what remlei said and check to see if a VLAN tag is required.

                  Example, in UK we have to use VLAN 101 for Fibre Broadband when configuring PPPoE connections.

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                    samyboyz
                    last edited by

                    The automatic backups are too recent thus i can rule out the possibility of restoring the setup.

                    Yes a VLAN was setup, but since i'm new to pfsense i cannot figure out what i'm missing in order to bypass the modem just like the previous tech :(

                    I've attached a picture for reference

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                      samyboyz
                      last edited by

                      I'm so sorry for being persistent, just have not been able to find any documentation on this and need to finish setup by Saturday, if anyone would have input i'd be truly grateful :)

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                      • GertjanG
                        Gertjan
                        last edited by

                        Start detailing a max about your ISP and equipment, only then some one who reads your question could recognize the situation and answer.
                        Of course, your ISP has all the answers (not about pfSense, but they know what network settings they use) ….

                        No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                        Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                          samyboyz
                          last edited by

                          They're with Bell in Canada, the VLAN is setup right with 35, it was working with that setting, just don't know if i need to assign the VLAN to wan Interface? And setup PPOE?

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                            samyboyz
                            last edited by

                            Any suggestions? :(

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                            • DerelictD
                              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                              last edited by

                              If you need WAN tagged on VLAN 35 then, yes, you need to go to Interfaces > (assign) and change WAN from em0 to VLAN 35 on em0

                              Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                              A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                              DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                              Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                samyboyz
                                last edited by

                                I did that, then in PPPoe i setup the dsl credentials but would not work..

                                @Derelict:

                                If you need WAN tagged on VLAN 35 then, yes, you need to go to Interfaces > (assign) and change WAN from em0 to VLAN 35 on em0

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                                • DerelictD
                                  Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                  last edited by

                                  Then you need to do what your ISP requires. Have you asked them? What did they say?

                                  Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                                  A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                                  DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                                  Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                    JKnott
                                    last edited by

                                    This customer was connected directly via a network card Bell's fiber box without a DSL modem thus am not sure if i use PPPoe with customer's DSL credentials

                                    That depends on what type of service they have.  I have seen customers that use a "modem" connected to the fibre terminal.  That modem is the same as used over ADSL, but connects via WAN port, instead of phone line.  The config info is in the modem, as with any ADSL customer.  I have also worked with customers that have their own IP addresses and they simply get an Ethernet connection over the fibre.  There may also be VLANs or MPLS involved.  Your best bet is to call Bell and find out what you're supposed to provide.

                                    PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                    i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                    UniFi AC-Lite access point

                                    I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                                      samyboyz
                                      last edited by

                                      Called Bell, they said they never heard of bypassing the modem…whereas that was the setup when i got there.. pfsense was connected through NIC / RJ45 to Cell Fibe Service..

                                      There is a VLAN set to 35 , not sure if i still have to setup PPPoe? Bell is of no help :(

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                                      • JKnottJ
                                        JKnott
                                        last edited by

                                        Called Bell, they said they never heard of bypassing the modem…

                                        ????

                                        Who at Bell were you talking to?  Does your customer have a contact rep who knows what they have?

                                        As I have said, I have worked with both types of connection.  In the ones without a modem, the fibre is connected to a device called a "media converter", which can provide various functions and is in turn connected to a router.  I have worked mostly with a Ciena model, similar to this one. http://www.ciena.com/products/3916/

                                        I have also worked with Nokia fibre terminals, which connect to the "modem" via Ethernet cable.  These modems can also be connected to a phone line for ADSL service.  In either configuration, they'd have the user PPPoE config.
                                        https://business.bell.ca/support/small-business/internet/modems/hub-1000

                                        PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                        i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                        UniFi AC-Lite access point

                                        I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                                        • DerelictD
                                          Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                          last edited by

                                          If it was me I would put a managed switch between a router that works and the ISP, capture it, see what it's doing, then make pfSense do that.

                                          If that was outside my capabilities I would probably have to hire someone to come out and do it for me if the ISP was uncoop.

                                          Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                                          A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                                          DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                                          Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                          • JKnottJ
                                            JKnott
                                            last edited by

                                            ^^^^
                                            This is why I suggested calling the customer's Bell rep, who should know what the customer has.  I mentioned 2 types of connection, with different configurations.  When calling Bell Canada, there are different numbers for each type.  One gets you a rep that handles residential and small business customers for ADSL type services.  There's another number for dedicated connections, such as where the media convert is used.  There should be a circuit number which the Bell rep can look up, to determine how to support it.

                                            PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                            i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                            UniFi AC-Lite access point

                                            I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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