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    Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
    last edited by Jan 4, 2018, 11:28 PM

    As long as the source address is already covered in the normal outbound NAT rules on that WAN interface you are good.

    Outbound NAT only determines what NAT takes place. It has no bearing on what gets routed where.

    Policy route your source address with the desired gateway set (or no gateway if the default route is what you need) above any more general rules that would also match the traffic. The rules would be on "LAN"

    Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
    A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
    DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
    Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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      robina80
      last edited by Jan 5, 2018, 6:51 AM

      This is exactly what im after

      https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=106305.0

      I still really dont get what outband nat is as i thought it was exactly for this to make a host or network go out a different gateway or wan interface

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        Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
        last edited by Jan 5, 2018, 6:55 PM

        Outbound NAT has no effect on routing.

        It controls what NAT takes place when a new connection goes out a particular interface.

        Most simple networks can use Automatic NAT.

        Common uses for custom rules are for things like SIP PBXes that need static ports (if the source port from the PBX is 5060, if needs to be sourced from 5060 out the WAN interface (after NAT) too).

        It can be used if you have multiple WAN addresses. (If the connection is to destination TCP/25, set the source address to X.X.X.X, else use X.X.X.Y)

        If you have internal networks with public addresses that are routed to you, you might use a Do Not NAT rule for those source addresses so no NAT happens at all.

        In any case, the routing table or policy routing has already chosen that WAN as the interface to use for the connection. The outbound NAT rules have zero influence over that decision.

        Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
        A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
        DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
        Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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          robina80
          last edited by Jan 5, 2018, 9:22 PM

          ok so below point 9 is what your saying "policy based route" so make that host use the WAN 2 gateway instead of the default one ie WAN1

          but why has he done point 8?

          thanks,

          rob

          08-configure-outbound-nat

          There's a new(ish) hybrid mode for outbound NAT which makes this pretty easy.  Add the two rules shown in the screenshots and then set the Mode to Hybrid Outbound NAT.  I use the entire LAN subnet as the source address for these entries, but it could also be limited to the network block chosen for vpnclients (192.168.1.128/27).  I use the entire LAN subnet so I don't have to worry about updating outbound NAT rules if I want to change the vpnclients alias.

          09-create-lan-firewall-rules

          Add a rule to block vpnclients from making DNS queries to the LAN IP.  This prevents vpnclients from using the DNS Resolver and prevents DNS leaks if you forget to override DNS settings when adding static DHCP mappings for vpnclients.

          Add a rule that creates a policy based route for vpnclients.  Traffic that matches the rule will be sent via the VPN (ex:TORGUARD) gateway.  Traffic that doesn't match will fall through to the default LAN rule.

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            Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
            last edited by Jan 5, 2018, 10:22 PM

            I have no idea. Because he doesn't understand either?

            The Automatic NAT rules show you what source addresses the firewall has determined should be NATted. If your source network is included, you need not do anything. If it is not you can switch to hybrid (or manual) and add it.

            Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
            A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
            DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
            Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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              robina80
              last edited by Jan 5, 2018, 10:53 PM

              the last step i need help with is point 10 (below)  the "no_wan_egress" i imagine this is an alias to some networks?

              10-create-floating-firewall-rules

              Create a floating rule that watches for and rejects outbound WAN traffic that's marked NO_WAN_EGRESS.  This prevents vpnclients from connecting to the internet via the WAN when the VPN interface goes down.

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                Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                last edited by Jan 5, 2018, 10:59 PM

                No. It's a mark.

                See this:

                https://www.infotechwerx.com/blog/Prevent-Any-Traffic-VPN-Hosts-Egressing-WAN

                Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                  robina80
                  last edited by Jan 6, 2018, 2:13 AM

                  thanks Derelict

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                    robina80
                    last edited by Jan 10, 2018, 8:22 PM Jan 10, 2018, 8:18 PM

                    mmm… somethings not right

                    i attach a picture of my rules and floating rules -

                    https://s18.postimg.org/fxir0ko49/rules.png

                    basically my "internal network" is 10.100.1.0/24

                    my "VPNclient" is 10.100.1.10 so it falls within the internal network subnet, i dont know if that matters

                    my DHCP server is from the range of 10.100.1.50-10.100.1.200 so my vpnclient alias IP is not in the scope

                    as soon as i change my pc NIC to 10.100.1.10 i loose internet

                    any help would be great, i persume im doing something really stupid!

                    cheers,

                    rob

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                      robina80
                      last edited by Jan 12, 2018, 11:35 PM

                      ok i have added a new network on my switch "172.17.2.0/24" and i have made my pc "172.17.2.1"

                      i have added a new static route on pfsense so the to can talk to eachother ie pfsense and my switch

                      i have network access fine ie i can talk to other subnets but i still get no internet activity

                      can anyone help please

                      thanks

                      rob

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                        Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                        last edited by Jan 12, 2018, 11:44 PM

                        Static route? Why a static route?

                        You are going to have to produce a diagram. See the one in my sig for the type of info necessary.

                        Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                        A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                        DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                        Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                          robina80
                          last edited by Jan 14, 2018, 12:24 PM Jan 13, 2018, 12:14 AM

                          i attach a better betwork diagram of my static routes to my switch and pfsense

                          https://s18.postimg.org/v2d0so15l/my_network.png

                          yeah i have static routes set up to route traffic from my default network on my pfsense to all my other networks on my switch

                          i attach a picture so you have more of a understanding on my network

                          https://s18.postimg.org/nz8tnpn4p/route.png

                          my pfsense ip is "10.100.1.254" and switch on the same network is "10.100.1.253" and it carrys static routes down it so my devices connected to my switch on different subnets can see the network and the internet

                          on my pc i have made my default gateway the VPN network switch IP "172.17.2.253"

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                            Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                            last edited by Jan 13, 2018, 12:59 AM

                            Whatever that is it is not a network diagram.

                            Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                            A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                            DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                            Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                              last edited by Jan 14, 2018, 2:09 AM

                              Yeah I ain't downloading some zip file from a forum user.

                              Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                              A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                              DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                              Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                robina80
                                last edited by Jan 14, 2018, 2:09 AM

                                here you go

                                https://s18.postimg.org/tvlldbuvd/network.png

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                                  Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                  last edited by Jan 14, 2018, 2:16 AM

                                  Is 172.17.2.0/24 covered by automatic outbound NAT?

                                  Do the firewall rules on the 10.100.1.254 interface pass traffic from all of the static route source addresses?

                                  I would not design it that way. I would use another router interface for the transit network to the switch and one for management. Management should probably not be a layer 3 interface on the switch.

                                  Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                                  A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                                  DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                                  Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                    robina80
                                    last edited by Jan 14, 2018, 2:41 AM Jan 14, 2018, 2:20 AM

                                    you mean this under firewall > NAT > outbound

                                    https://s18.postimg.org/pmgvbe4jd/nat_out.png

                                    sorry i dont reallt understand second question?

                                    i have an alia called "internal network" with manage and VM networks that are allowed out to the intnernet but the vpn isnt

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                                      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                      last edited by Jan 14, 2018, 3:29 AM

                                      That NAT looks fine.

                                      You have a pfSense interface with the 10.100.1.254 address on it.

                                      That interface has firewall rules on it.

                                      What are those?

                                      What, specifically, are you doing that is not working? You are going to need at least some troubleshooting skills to be able to make something like that operate.

                                      Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                                      A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                                      DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                                      Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                        robina80
                                        last edited by Jan 14, 2018, 12:32 PM Jan 14, 2018, 12:16 PM

                                        i attach a better network diagram including my static routes

                                        https://s18.postimg.org/v2d0so15l/my_network.png

                                        but i would had thought this rule that i attach works as i dont see it not working

                                        https://s18.postimg.org/vduh5aruh/rules.png

                                        my three top rules are for my alias "vpnclients" which in the diagram i showed you is my windows PC with the VPN IP

                                        and the bottom rule is for my "internalnet" to go out to the internet this is the manage and VM subnets

                                        but when i plug in the ethernet cable in my NIC which is on the VPN network i have network access ie i can see the LAN but not the WAN which i would have thought it would of been going out the proton vpn gateway but its not working

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                                          Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                          last edited by Jan 14, 2018, 5:04 PM

                                          What is Allint ??

                                          Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                                          A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                                          DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                                          Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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