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    Gertjan @RobbieTT
    last edited by Gertjan Oct 11, 2023, 9:00 AM Oct 11, 2023, 8:59 AM

    @RobbieTT

    Winchester ? ( ! )

    No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
    Edit : and where are the logs ??

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      RobbieTT @Gertjan
      last edited by RobbieTT Oct 11, 2023, 9:10 AM Oct 11, 2023, 9:05 AM

      @Gertjan said in 4100/6100 Base or Max:

      @RobbieTT

      Winchester ? ( ! )

      No, that was about 150 years earlier and Alfred was only the King of Wessex, rather than of England. Not a bad effort from a non-Englishman though. 👍

      That said, around that time Britain included a good chunk of modern-day France.

      ☕️

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        Cabledude @RobbieTT
        last edited by Cabledude Oct 11, 2023, 1:19 PM Oct 11, 2023, 1:17 PM

        @RobbieTT said in 4100/6100 Base or Max:

        @Gertjan said in 4100/6100 Base or Max:

        @RobbieTT

        Winchester ? ( ! )

        No, that was about 150 years earlier and Alfred was only the King of Wessex, rather than of England. Not a bad effort from a non-Englishman though. 👍

        That said, around that time Britain included a good chunk of modern-day France.

        ☕️

        I would have guessed Winchester as well, which as I understand transformed into the capital of the whole of England, under the House of Wessex, some time after Alfred's passing. But if not Winchester, could it be Westminster?

        Pete
        Home: SG-2100 + UniFi + Synology. SG-1100 retired
        Parents: SG-1100 + UniFi + Synology
        Testing: SG-1100 w/ 120GB SSD via ext USB (eMMC dead). Works great

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          RobbieTT @Cabledude
          last edited by Oct 11, 2023, 2:10 PM

          @Cabledude
          Think of the king that actually managed some peace, despite it all being recently glued together. Oh and demonstrated his limitations to his subjects by demonstrating that he could not hold back the tide. Also the one where history rearranged his name to avoid the 'c' word...

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            Cabledude @JonathanLee
            last edited by Cabledude Nov 2, 2023, 12:40 PM Nov 2, 2023, 12:35 PM

            @JonathanLee said in 4100/6100 Base or Max:

            @Cabledude It is great the only time I see it MAX out on it is on system start up, reboots. Snort rebuilds take up some CPU and ram when that occurs too.

            It is impressive to see this processor run with some good code like pfSense.

            @JonathanLee I went with the SG-2100. The performance in terms of WAN throughput and routing is adequate but invoking the dashboard can take a lot of seconds:

            • 3.5 seconds with "System Information" widget only

            • every additional widget makes dash load time increase by about a second

            • My usual dashboard widget layout takes 11 seconds to load. This is with SI, Disks, pfBlockerNG, Gateways, Interfaces, Services Status, ZFS and Traffic Graphs.

            For comparison: my friend's SG-4100 dashboard takes 2 seconds to load and he has the same widgets that I have.

            Is my dashboard load time similar to yours? Could you please either confirm or share your unit's behaviour? I am wondering if I got a melon or if this is normal for this model.
            If it is normal I don't consider it to be a huge problem.

            Thanks a lot in advance!

            Pete
            Home: SG-2100 + UniFi + Synology. SG-1100 retired
            Parents: SG-1100 + UniFi + Synology
            Testing: SG-1100 w/ 120GB SSD via ext USB (eMMC dead). Works great

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              Stef93 @Cabledude
              last edited by Stef93 Nov 2, 2023, 12:41 PM Nov 2, 2023, 12:39 PM

              @Cabledude
              I'm not @JonathanLee
              But I have and actively use Netgate 6100 Base (by the way, I bought an intel optane 64gb, it’s already waiting for me, I need to install it)
              I can confirm that it takes a long time to load)
              upd. there are a lot of widgets, a lot of things are spinning

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                Cabledude @Stef93
                last edited by Nov 2, 2023, 12:41 PM

                Thank you @Stef93. Are you saying your SG-6100 takes 10 seconds to load the dash?

                Pete
                Home: SG-2100 + UniFi + Synology. SG-1100 retired
                Parents: SG-1100 + UniFi + Synology
                Testing: SG-1100 w/ 120GB SSD via ext USB (eMMC dead). Works great

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                  Stef93 @Cabledude
                  last edited by Nov 2, 2023, 12:42 PM

                  @Cabledude
                  4-6s

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                    Cabledude @Stef93
                    last edited by Cabledude Nov 2, 2023, 12:48 PM Nov 2, 2023, 12:46 PM

                    @Stef93 thank you. Then my 11 seconds is likely to be considered normal for the much lesser specc'ed CPU of the SG-2100.

                    Still curious that your 6100 takes 4-6 seconds where my friend's 4100 takes only 2 seconds. His widget list is:

                    • System Information, pfBlockerNG, Gateways, Interfaces, Services Status and Traffic Graphs

                    Good chance your 6100 has more widgets or some other kind that waits for info to load ("spinning")

                    Pete
                    Home: SG-2100 + UniFi + Synology. SG-1100 retired
                    Parents: SG-1100 + UniFi + Synology
                    Testing: SG-1100 w/ 120GB SSD via ext USB (eMMC dead). Works great

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                      Stef93 @Cabledude
                      last edited by Nov 2, 2023, 12:52 PM

                      @Cabledude
                      System Information, pfBlockerNG, Gateways, Interfaces, Services Status, Traffic Graphs x5
                      +
                      OpenVPN, Dynamic DNS Status, Ipsec, Disks

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                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                        last edited by Nov 2, 2023, 12:52 PM

                        There is a specific fix coming for the 6100/8200 that speeds up the dashboard loading if you have the interfaces widget there and don't have any SFP modules loaded.
                        It's in 23.09: https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/13911

                        Steve

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                          RobbieTT @Cabledude
                          last edited by RobbieTT Nov 2, 2023, 12:59 PM Nov 2, 2023, 12:57 PM

                          @Cabledude

                          My 6100 with Optane takes 1.91 seconds to load the dashboard over wifi.

                          My Xeon-D, also with Optane, takes 1.71 seconds over wifi:

                          login-to-view

                          I have a pretty busy dashboard and with live graphing, so it never really stops. Of course, with caching enabled and on a wired connection it will be quicker. My LAN uses SFP+ in both cases above.

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                            Cabledude @stephenw10
                            last edited by Nov 2, 2023, 12:59 PM

                            @stephenw10 Hi Steve, can you confirm SG-2100 dash load time being as high as mine given these widgets:
                            System Information: 3,5 seconds
                            Disks: + 1.5 seconds
                            pfBlockerNG: + 0.75 seconds
                            Gateways: + 0.3 seconds
                            Interfaces: + 1.5 seconds
                            Services Status: + 2 seconds
                            ZFS: + 1 second
                            Traffic Graphs: +0.5 seconds

                            Pete
                            Home: SG-2100 + UniFi + Synology. SG-1100 retired
                            Parents: SG-1100 + UniFi + Synology
                            Testing: SG-1100 w/ 120GB SSD via ext USB (eMMC dead). Works great

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                              Cabledude @RobbieTT
                              last edited by Nov 2, 2023, 1:01 PM

                              Thanks @RobbieTT . I don't recognize your screen shot as resembling a pfSense dashboard though.

                              Pete
                              Home: SG-2100 + UniFi + Synology. SG-1100 retired
                              Parents: SG-1100 + UniFi + Synology
                              Testing: SG-1100 w/ 120GB SSD via ext USB (eMMC dead). Works great

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                                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                last edited by Nov 2, 2023, 1:10 PM

                                If the box itself is busy then it can take a while to open the dash on the 2100. That does seem quite extreme though.

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                                  RobbieTT @Cabledude
                                  last edited by RobbieTT Nov 2, 2023, 1:13 PM Nov 2, 2023, 1:12 PM

                                  @Cabledude said in 4100/6100 Base or Max:

                                  Thanks @RobbieTT . I don't recognize your screen shot as resembling a pfSense dashboard though.

                                  No, it's a timeline graph showing how long the page takes to load. The top of my dashboard looks like this:

                                  login-to-view

                                  ☕️

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                                    Cabledude @stephenw10
                                    last edited by Nov 2, 2023, 1:21 PM

                                    @stephenw10 said in 4100/6100 Base or Max:

                                    If the box itself is busy then it can take a while to open the dash on the 2100. That does seem quite extreme though.

                                    No the unit is close to idle while doing these measurements.

                                    When I simultaneously do an ISP speed test (400 down, 50 up) the dashboard will take 16 seconds to load.

                                    Pete
                                    Home: SG-2100 + UniFi + Synology. SG-1100 retired
                                    Parents: SG-1100 + UniFi + Synology
                                    Testing: SG-1100 w/ 120GB SSD via ext USB (eMMC dead). Works great

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                                      JonathanLee @Cabledude
                                      last edited by JonathanLee Nov 2, 2023, 2:43 PM Nov 2, 2023, 2:29 PM

                                      @Cabledude to log in and get to a dashboard it takes mine 8-9 seconds depending on how much it is being used. However, with the ath0 driver built for the expansion WiFi card enabled it's a lot faster. With that being said I assume the AP also factors into this. I am using a 5ghz Wi-Fi.

                                      login-to-view

                                      login-to-view

                                      I have a Wi-Fi card inside the 2100

                                      I also use a external AP most of the time because I can't access my printer or NAS with that card enabled. Again it's much more responsive when I am accessing it over the Wi-Fi on PfSense when juxtaposed to the external AP.

                                      Try to disable ClamAV Tac support recommended it for me as it uses a lot of memory.

                                      Make sure to upvote

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                                        Cabledude @JonathanLee
                                        last edited by Cabledude Nov 2, 2023, 3:25 PM Nov 2, 2023, 3:24 PM

                                        Thank you @JonathanLee. 8-9 seconds is in the same ballpark as 10-11. maybe I have more widgets than you, can't really tell from your screen shots, though the paintings are exceptionally spectacular.

                                        I don't have a WiFi module inside the SG-2100, all cabled connections, which can't be slower than WiFi, probably faster. But I get the same dash loading times on my iPhone (connected to my LAN) so I suppose WiFi or cabled doesn't make a difference.

                                        Could you list the widgets that you use?

                                        Pete
                                        Home: SG-2100 + UniFi + Synology. SG-1100 retired
                                        Parents: SG-1100 + UniFi + Synology
                                        Testing: SG-1100 w/ 120GB SSD via ext USB (eMMC dead). Works great

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                                          Stef93 @JonathanLee
                                          last edited by Nov 2, 2023, 3:33 PM

                                          @JonathanLee
                                          Can you please tell me the model or better photo of the wifi module?

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