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    • QinnQ
      Qinn @johnpoz
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      @johnpoz Which Unifi do you use and which would you advise, I need at least 4 vlan's per radio.

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      • johnpozJ
        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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        @JKnott said in Seamless roaming:

        With Cisco, the software is installed in switches.

        No while some switches now can act as the controller.. Before you had to buy a piece of hardware, normally 2 of them.. And if they were not on... nothing worked. Current models are the 9800 WLC, but yeah they have gone with cloud and embedded and or virtual.. Same sort of thing with unifi, you can run the controller anywhere - or you can buy the cloud key to run it on.. Or if you get the new Dream Machine Pro it will run right on the router..

        The controller doesn't have to be running 24/7 - its just nice if it is.

        There are people that have installed it on their pfsense box - I would NOT recommend that at all.. If you were going to do it, then run pfsense as a vm, and run whatever else on that hardware as another vm..

        If I was going to buy today I would buy either the nanoHD or the flexHD... Or if you have budget the HD or the https://unifi-shd.ui.com/

        Currently running the UAP-AC-PRO, the lite and the LR.. the pro is in the hallaway, the LR is in the kitchen and the guestroom is the lite.

        Nano or the flex are the big sellers because of pricepoint and features.. They do have a new wifi 6 lite model out in beta you could try as well ;)

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        • JKnottJ
          JKnott @Qinn
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          @Qinn said in Seamless roaming:

          I need at least 4 vlan's per radio

          Do you mean 4 SSIDs?

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          • QinnQ
            Qinn @JKnott
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            @JKnott said in Seamless roaming:

            @Qinn said in Seamless roaming:

            I need at least 4 vlan's per radio

            Do you mean 4 SSIDs?

            Yes a least 4 SSID's and you have be able to give them a VLAN ID/TAG

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            • JKnottJ
              JKnott @Qinn
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              @Qinn

              That depends on the AP. My TP-Link only supports 4.

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              • QinnQ
                Qinn @JKnott
                last edited by Qinn

                @JKnott I know, that's why I asked John if it's available with the Unifi ;)

                @Qinn said in Seamless roaming:

                @johnpoz Which Unifi do you use and which would you advise, I need at least 4 vlan's per radio.

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                • johnpozJ
                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                  last edited by johnpoz

                  So with the unifi sure you can do 4 ssids.. If you turn off monitoring and they are wired uplinks you can do 8.. So if you wanted you could do 8 on 2.4 and 8 on 5.. For a total of 16.

                  Or just get real fancy and do dynamic assigned vlans and just run 1 or 2 ssid and assign your vlans dynamically based on auth or mac... Now your unlimited to how many vlans you can run through your AP.

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                  • QinnQ
                    Qinn @johnpoz
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                    @johnpoz Thanks John, I am beginning to "shift over" to Unifi ;) I think I will kick of with 2 X AP AC Pro.

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                    • johnpozJ
                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                      last edited by johnpoz

                      Get the nanoHD vs the Pro.. Really!!! Or the flexHD... No reason to buy the pro at this time..

                      I show the PRO on amazon for like 133, and the nanoHD for like 157.. For 25 bucks your nuts if you don't get the HD model vs pro..

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                      • QinnQ
                        Qinn @johnpoz
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                        @johnpoz said in Seamless roaming:

                        Get the nanoHD vs the Pro.. Really!!! Or the flexHD... No reason to buy the pro at this time..

                        I show the PRO on amazon for like 133, and the nanoHD for like 157.. For 25 bucks your nuts if you don't get the HD model vs pro..

                        Thanks for the advise John, I think a nanoHD 2 pack it will be :)

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                          JKnott @johnpoz
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                          @johnpoz

                          I just looked at the data sheet for that unit. I see they still support 802.11b. I wonder if anyone still uses that. I hope not, as it's a performance killer for the entire area. The local library stopped supporting it several years ago and I have my AP configured for N only, as every device I have is capable of N. It's a performance killer because every device that wants to use g or n has to go into b compatibility mode, where it sends a b frame to reserve time for the g or n frame. G only doesn't cause such a significant performance hit for n, as the n device just has to slow down the header, when there are g devices in the area.

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                          UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                          • JKnottJ
                            JKnott @Qinn
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                            @Qinn said in Seamless roaming:

                            Thanks for the advise John, I think a nanoHD 2 pack it will be :)

                            Do the 2 packs come with PoE adapters? According to that video, single units came with them, but not the 5 packs. If I'm not mistaken, those Ubiquity APs can only be used with their injectors or their PoE switches, as the APs run on 24V.

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                            • johnpozJ
                              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                              I don't think they sell a 2 pack ;) But @JKnott is right when you buy the multi pack they normally do not come with the injectors... Some old AP did use passive 24v poe, and that could be problematic.. But the current devices should be poe/poe+ (also known as af and at) and be able to powered from any poe switch that supports the correct poe.

                              New poe bt also coming out.

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                              • chpalmerC
                                chpalmer
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                                Mine are using my POE panel on 48volts.

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                                • QinnQ
                                  Qinn @johnpoz
                                  last edited by Qinn

                                  @johnpoz said in Seamless roaming:

                                  I don't think they sell a 2 pack ;) But @JKnott is right when you buy the multi pack they normally do not come with the injectors... Some old AP did use passive 24v poe, and that could be problematic.. But the current devices should be poe/poe+ (also known as af and at) and be able to powered from any poe switch that supports the correct poe.

                                  New poe bt also coming out.

                                  True the come in 1 or 3 pack, so I ordered 2 and will see if they can manage the space needed, it looks like they will arrive Tuesday, also ordered a 8 port managed switch that can handle 802.3af (PoE), 802.3at (PoE+), 802.3az.
                                  Thanks to all, maybe need some assistance from you guys configuring them ;)

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                                  • johnpozJ
                                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                                    Its the older AP that used the 24v passive stuff. If your curious you can look here
                                    https://help.ui.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000263008-UniFi-Supported-PoE-Protocols

                                    What switch did you get, a unifi one?

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                                    • QinnQ
                                      Qinn @johnpoz
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                                      @johnpoz No a Netgear GS310TP-100EUS, would you suggest a unifi one, why and which one would you advise jhon?

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                                      • johnpozJ
                                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                        last edited by johnpoz

                                        No I really wouldn't suggest a unifi one.. Unless you wanted to go full on unifi ;)

                                        Only thing would suggest, is always get more ports than you currently need - you can never have enough ports - hehehe

                                        Thought shit my 28 port cisco sg300 would be more than I could ever need.. Well its pretty populated.. Glad I sure didn't go with the 20 port option..

                                        edit: And more features.. When getting a switch, get as full managed as you can for your budget! You never know when you might need feature X.. And you saved a few bucks and your shiny new 6 month old switch doesn't support it ;)

                                        Never know when you might want do say routing on the switch - so L3 might seem like nah never do that, and few months down the road.. Wow wish I could do that.. Or multicast acls, didn't think I would would ever use that in my home network - But I do.. And its one of my favorite features of the switch.. You would be amazed at how much crap some devices can spew onto the network.. Being able to just block it at the ingress point is nice..

                                        edit2:
                                        One feature I would for sure be looking for if in the market for a new switch would be 10ge support.. Better would be multigig 802.3bz with 10ge... Figured out how to add a 2.5gig usb nic to my nas, would of been better if could of just connected that to my switch vs having to connect it to my main pc via separate san..

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                                        • QinnQ
                                          Qinn @johnpoz
                                          last edited by Qinn

                                          @johnpoz said in Seamless roaming:

                                          10ge

                                          Wow, that are speeds!!

                                          @johnpoz said in Seamless roaming:
                                          ... Figured out how to add a 2.5gig usb nic to my nas, w.

                                          2.5gig usb nic? you mean a 2,4 GHZ usb nic

                                          Edit1: USB nic well can be very handy, I must say I favour wireless bridges, with antennas and no more hassle with drivers.

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                                          • johnpozJ
                                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                            last edited by johnpoz

                                            No I mean a 2.5gbps ethernet nic via usb..

                                            Multigig - 802.3bz allows for speeds of 2.5gbps and 5gbps
                                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5GBASE-T_and_5GBASE-T

                                            Here is the usb nic
                                            https://www.club-3d.com/en/detail/2467/usb_3.2_gen1_type_a_to_rj45_2.5gbps_adapter/

                                            The only thing I dislike about my synology ds918+ nas is that no 10ge support.. Can not add card.. some of their other models do support adding 10ge cards. (hindsight is always 20/20 after you purchase) But someone figured out how to do the driver for these usb sorts of nics.. Its a bit of hassle since it haven't figured out how to auto bring up the nic on a reboot.. So you have to do a bit of manual enable on a reboot of the nas. But that really only happens on a OS update..

                                            So originally - hey use of smb3 multichannel will get me 220ish MBps - that is all I will need ;) And that worked great.. Manual manipulation of the smb.conf.. Since its not really officially supported, hoping the dsm 7 when it comes out adds this to the gui, etc..

                                            And was very happy with that - then ran across people playing with these 802.3bz usb nics.. And other guy got a 5gbps nic working.. But at 80$ each (my pc would need ability to do 2.5 gig as well - since no 10ge card or room to put one) and didn't really think my drive speeds could really fill up 5gbps pipe anyway.. Then someone posted that they got this cheaper $40 each nic to work with 2.5.. That could be a bit of a boost, and under the 100$ what did you buy now look from the wife ;) Figured hey locked down anyway (covid) little side project to play with.

                                            At first thought hey could do smb3 multichannel with the 2x1 nics and the 2.5 nic for a total of 4.5 - but smb3 multichannel doesn't play that game :( if the interfaces are different speeds - it uses only the fastest one vs multiples..

                                            So ended up going from 220ish MBps transfers to and from nas and my pc.. To 280ish - 50-60MBps bump.. Nothing to sneeze at for under $100 and a few minutes of play time setting it up.

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