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    To do 25.07 or not?! That is the question!

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    • stephenw10S Offline
      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
      last edited by

      So a clean install of 25.07.1 is running OK?

      Hmm, hard to imagine would could have caused that. 🤔

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        chudak @stephenw10
        last edited by chudak

        @stephenw10 said in To do 25.07 or not?! That is the question!:

        So a clean install of 25.07.1 is running OK?

        Hmm, hard to imagine would could have caused that. 🤔

        Well there are several issues

        1. The s/w change from 24.03 + caused issues. Support's assumption it was h/w issue turned out to be untrue
          This is a difficult problem to find a root cause for and my route h/w may have played a role as well.

        2. Boot environments restore failed for multiple snapshots. That is really bad. I have no system around anymore for troubleshooting but I hope somebody can reflect and think about what could have caused that. That was scary, the whole reason I did not to want fresh reinstall because my false feeling that boot envs were safe. Alas :(

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          Antibiotic @chudak
          last edited by Antibiotic

          @chudak Looks like on 25.07.1 AES-GSM broken, have a speed 2oo mb with openVPN client and DCO enabled. Before on 24.11 has a speed almost 1 gb with openVPN. https://forum.netgate.com/topic/198535/massive-10x-performance-regression-in-aes-gcm/7

          pfSense plus 25.07.1 on Topton mini PC
          CPU: Intel N100
          NIC: Intel i-226v 4 pcs
          RAM : 16 GB DDR5
          Disk: 128 GB NVMe
          Brgds, Archi

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          • stephenw10S Offline
            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
            last edited by

            That is the testing tool only. Whatever you've hitting there it's not a general openssl issue.

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            • chudakC Offline
              chudak @chudak
              last edited by

              said in To do 25.07 or not?! That is the question!:

              @stephenw10 said in To do 25.07 or not?! That is the question!:

              What do you see logged when that happens?

              What are you running on?

              QOTOM-Q355G4

              UPDATE:
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RR26J-dDzc

              Spent 2 h trying to see what could have caused reboots/resets/up/down unsuccessfully and decided to restore the 24.03 boot env. And ... it did not work, verification during the boot failed!!!! And then another one did not work either etc. Finally I got old 23.x version booted. But I realized that I need to do a fresh install.

              Thx to AI for helping to figure what key to press for BIOS setup :)

              Long story short, I did fresh install + restore old config.xml and so been running for 24 + min (before it was rebooting every 17)

              So hope I am out of the woods....

              My adventure did not end there.
              I found that 25.07.1 was very unstable.

              I could not reboot the system running 25.07.1.

              It'd come up but no LAN or WAN name resolutions and no matter what I tried I could not make it reboot with no issues. I suspect it was Kea DHCP but switching back did not help either...

              So I had to reinstall clean 24.03 and .... I see no issues!

              Not sure what to say, but 25.07.1 was a disaster (at least for me :( )

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              • stephenw10S Offline
                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                last edited by

                Can you get a boot log? Or anything showing any errors you might have hit?

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                • chudakC Offline
                  chudak @stephenw10
                  last edited by

                  @stephenw10 said in To do 25.07 or not?! That is the question!:

                  Can you get a boot log? Or anything showing any errors you might have hit?

                  I have to leave soon and can't troubleshoot much longer, will try next tie when I back next to the router.
                  That's BTW why I am so touchy about being able to manage this remotely.

                  But I doubt it's boot issue.
                  Why do you suspect this?

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                  • stephenw10S Offline
                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                    last edited by

                    I probably isn't specific to boot but if there are any errors there it would be a clue.

                    Any logs showing errors would be something to go on.

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                    • chudakC Offline
                      chudak @stephenw10
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                      @stephenw10 said in To do 25.07 or not?! That is the question!:

                      I probably isn't specific to boot but if there are any errors there it would be a clue.

                      Any logs showing errors would be something to go on.

                      I see those:

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                      Are they harmful?

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                      • stephenw10S Offline
                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                        last edited by

                        No those are all expected and harmless even if you are using those wifi drivers.

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                        • chudakC Offline
                          chudak @stephenw10
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                          @stephenw10

                          After I did a fresh 24.03 + 25.07.1 the system was acting better.

                          But still 25.07.1 was very odd.
                          The best I can describe - it would restart by itself, no obvious entries in the logs. But the frequency changed from every 17 min to "sometimes", I noticed one time during one day.

                          Anyhow, I am running now 24.03 for 2 days and it's as it used to be - no issues.

                          I am buying a new h/w Glovary mini PC for pfS (my current is 8 years old) and will give it new try

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                          • stephenw10S Offline
                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                            No panic shown or crash report?

                            Is it booting UEFI or legacy?

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                              chudak @stephenw10
                              last edited by chudak

                              @stephenw10 said in To do 25.07 or not?! That is the question!:

                              No panic shown or crash report?

                              Is it booting UEFI or legacy?

                              No panic and it’s legacy

                              @stephenw10 any ideas about BIOS?

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                              • stephenw10S Offline
                                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                last edited by

                                Like BIOS settings? Not really. It could be an ACPI bug that's exposed by the larger kernel in 25.07 taking up more space. But I'd expect a panic if that was the case.

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                                  chudak @chudak
                                  last edited by chudak

                                  said in To do 25.07 or not?! That is the question!:

                                  24.03

                                  My pfSense saga…

                                  Before 25.07 on 24.03 I had no issues at all, but every newer update started causing spontaneous reboots. I was ready to blame the hardware and even considered buying a new box.

                                  Then I noticed something: my smart power switch (ezOutlet5 - Internet Enabled IP & Wi-Fi Remote Power Switch) was set up for automatic operations, pinging both WiFi and wired networks. The green light on it was blinking, which basically meant it thought something was wrong.

                                  Turns out it was the switch cutting power and rebooting the box — this is my hypothesis.

                                  I disabled the automatic mode and—voila—no more issues.

                                  Posting this for group posterity in case it saves someone else the same headache.

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                                  • stephenw10S Offline
                                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                    Wow, that's painful! Nice to find a cause though. 👍

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                                      Mission-Ghost
                                      last edited by Mission-Ghost

                                      Today I upgraded my 4200 from 24.11 to 25.07.1 via the web interface.

                                      Upgrade went well. I rebooted before starting, the removed all the packages, upgraded, deleted the Nexus package (which I don't think I need since I'm not doing multi-instance management) and installed the new versions of the rest of the packages.

                                      I tested multi-wan failover/fail-back, VLANs, etc and all those aspects seem to work normally. I have Starlink and T-Mobile Home Internet as my primary and backup services, respectively. I don't have VPNs.

                                      Packages are apcupsd, cron, mailreport, pfBlocker_NG, Status_traffic_totals, System_patches.

                                      The only problem I can see is it appears all my history for Status_traffic_totals is gone.

                                      I thought all packages left their data intact upon removal/reinstallation unless explicitly directed otherwise. What happened in this case?

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                                      • stephenw10S Offline
                                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                        Are you using RAM disks?

                                        Also can we assume you mean a 4200 upgraded from 24.11 to 25.07.1?

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                                          Mission-Ghost @stephenw10
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                                          @stephenw10 no, I don't use RAM disks.

                                          Yes, 4200, not 4300. I've edited that.

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                                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @Mission-Ghost
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                                            @Mission-Ghost said in To do 25.07 or not?! That is the question!:

                                            from 24.07 to 25.11

                                            And I assume that is also a typo?

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