@johnpoz
Hope you didn't take my post the wrong way
Oh not at all!
I see nothing wrong with your post bringing attention to a possible issue people could run into.
Yeah, there's nothing more frustrating than seeing a comment on a discussion thread involving a problem you're experiencing that simply says "Disregard, I fixed it" or "resolved", but no further details 🙄 so I generally try to share the details about problems I've run into, especially when I see others experiencing the same thing. It makes the Internet a better place!
For example the option 43 is odd to me since I wouldn't think that option would ever be on a dhcp scope that users machines are on, that sort of option would exist on your infrastructure network, why would windows machine ever even be on it.. Other than maybe some admin laptop or something now and then. Sure that would and could exist on some smb network maybe, but then again that dhcp server really shouldn't hand it out unless the dhcp client actually ask for it. So its just weird that could actually cause an issue with whatever they did with windows..
So the reason #43 made it into this discussion is due to the top comment on page #2 of the Microsoft answers thread I posted earlier. I'm mostly in agreement that #43 has no business on a client access network. I say mostly because only Siths deal in absolutes. 🤣
As to an always on vpn - I worked for a very large msp for many years with many customers and never ran across such a setup. My previous gig was a fortune 100 company and we were not setup like that. You could enable or disable the vpn on your laptop. And while my current gig isn't a huge company - we again are not setup like that, you enable your vpn when you want. We do have multiple DCs and locations across the globe that you can connect to via vpn. But systems are not set to auto login to the vpn, and sure doesn't limit you to which one you connect too, etc.
Yeah, I mean... it's definitely not common, but it's perfect for our environment.
I could see such a setup having its own set of problems, maybe advantages but having a hard time of thinking of any off the top of my head ;) Other than a setup where your users don't have to think at all - it should just work and the laptop should have access to company resources all the time. But sure it could lead to odd routing at times. If the user was on a company site would seem odd that their machine should connect to the company vpn unless they were say on a locations guest wifi network or something.
The main issue we've seen is inefficient routing, which is solved by telling our endpoints "When you're at an office, use the office's gateway as your route to the various datacenters instead of your AAVPN" ... because again, when all traffic destined for one of our datacenters traverses the AAVPN, that's not efficient when you've got a perfectly good (and shorter) path to the datacenter if your traffic goes through the VTI insead. Unfortunately I can't post a diagram because I don't have a sufficiently sanitized one; if I have some time I'll post one because I think using option 249 to resolve this is actually an underrated, elegant solution to the problem.
Not saying they are not correct sort of setups that shouldn't work, etc. Just seem like one offs to me
Yeah, I mean... The option exists for the very reason we're using it 😸 . And isn't that part of the beauty of what we do? That most of the time, someone found themselves in the exact same situation and created a solution that was good enough to become part of the protocol/spec/RFC/whatever, in turn, ensuring future humans in the same situation already have a path forward? And conversely, if you find yourself in a situation that nobody else has ever encountered, then either your approach to the problem you're trying to solve is incorrect or you've been presented with the opportunity to be that person who creates a solution that becomes a standard. We all stand on the shoulders of giants.
with some 30+ years in the business is all..
I've been in the industry since '98 so I'm not far behind ya. 😉
So yeah it is curious what MS might have done - but I could see maybe these 2 scenarios got overlooked somehow??
Well, text is the wrong type for this particular DHCP option, so I'm inclined to believe that whatever change they made fixed or tightened up something in their OS that worked but wasn't technically correct (which, as we all know, is the best kind of correct).
I have not been in that space for many moons, but next time talking to one our server/client guys that are responsible for the deployment of OS to the users devices and they run the dhcp servers etc.. I will ask them if they have seen any of this. Or if they are even thinking of pushing 24h2 any time soon ;)
It might be worth the conversation. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The other thing that is curious is to me, other than some smaller smb is why would this sort of problem with 24h2 not be caught in testing before the update is pushed to user machines, etc.
Ya know, that's not an uncommon question -- in fact, you can always find some population of users asking it once a month, right after every Patch Tuesday. I've admin'd Windows for a long time and I can't recall a time when routine updates were so reliably broken. In this case however, I'm not pointing the finger because obviously the problem was on my end, but I can point to several incredibly frustrating situations that have occurred over the last few years that weren't.
I will for sure have to look into it a bit, just because I am a curious sort of guy ;) Thanks for posting the info.
Of course, enjoy your evening, and happy holidays to you and yours!