@jimp so strange, it works perfectly now. I made sure that I reloaded all the feeds in pfblockerng before upgrading this time, there was a dnsbl database error last time I tried to upgrade because when I reboot (i emailed bbcan about this) the database gets wiped and I have to reload it as I am using ramdisk. I went back to june 7 snapshot (newer snapshot memstick iso won't boot in esxi 6.7, I saw some commit changes you made to how iso files work on github so I went with june 7 snapshot) and I can't do snapshots in esxi as I am using zfs and had to put the disk in physical raw disk mode.